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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

Start Reading Foundational Guide

In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

Start Reading List Building

In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

Start Reading Tools & Software

In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

Start Reading Copywriting & Messaging

In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
Digital Marketing Expert
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Referral vs. Affiliate Marketing: Let’s Talk with Michael Cole

On this episode, Shane Barker and Michael Cole, VP of Marketing at Everflow, clarify the distinctions between referral and affiliate marketing. Michael explains how nurturing customer referrals builds a strong foundation before engaging external affiliates. The discussion covers the importance of optimized funnels, conversion tracking, and effective onboarding to drive performance. Gain practical strategies and insights to elevate your marketing approach and boost revenue growth.

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Today's guest...
Michael Cole

Michael Cole is the Vice President of Marketing at Everflow, a leading provider of advanced marketing solutions that empower businesses to elevate brand awareness. With nearly two decades of experience in integrated marketing, he has overseen successful campaigns for a wide range of clients, from emerging startups to established enterprises.

Before joining Everflow, Michael served in leadership roles at various digital agencies, developing results-driven strategies that consistently increased engagement and ROI. His expertise in SEO, social media, and data analytics has positioned him as a go-to resource for businesses seeking sustainable growth.

Widely recognized as an industry thought leader, Michael frequently speaks on marketing innovation and consults with organizations looking to enhance their digital footprint. His dedication to continuous learning, paired with a collaborative spirit, makes him an invaluable partner to any brand aspiring to connect effectively with audiences and truly achieve meaningful, lasting success across diverse markets.

Episode Show Notes

In this episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, host Shane Barker and guest Michael Cole, VP of Marketing at Everflow, break down the nuances between referral and affiliate marketing. Michael clarifies that while affiliate marketing focuses on working with external professional marketers, referral marketing relies on internal relationships and word-of-mouth recommendations from satisfied customers. He explains that companies should begin with referral marketing to harness the power of their best customers before expanding into affiliate programs. Michael also highlights the importance of having a well-optimized sales funnel and robust conversion tracking in place prior to launching external affiliate partnerships. By ensuring that their own marketing channels convert effectively, businesses can confidently invite third-party affiliates to drive additional revenue. The discussion further covers the need for comprehensive onboarding and training to set up affiliates for success, as well as the challenges of managing multiple performance channels simultaneously. Listeners gain insights into leveraging the Everflow platform to consolidate tracking for both referral and affiliate efforts, enabling a clearer comparison of channel performance. This episode provides actionable strategies to build a solid foundation in referral marketing while gradually transitioning into a high-performing affiliate program.

Books mentioned

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Brands mentioned

  • Everflow
  • Shopify
  • DFO
  • Giddy Up
  • Ad Vita
  • Bite me
  • Bunk

 

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:09-00:34

Welcome to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I’m your host, Shane Barker. On this episode, Michael Cole, the VP of Marketing at Everflow, is back with us. We’ve talked a little bit about affiliate marketing, but I want to discuss affiliate marketing versus referral marketing because there’s always some confusion between the two. Can you break that down for us? What’s the difference?

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Michael Cole

Speaker 2
00:34-01:27

Yeah, so I think these are things where my definition might be different from someone else’s—it just depends on your perspective. To me, affiliate marketing is about working with third-party, external professional marketers, whereas referral marketing tends to be more about internal relationships, like your clients or business partners referring you. In terms of marketing strategy, they’re only separate because the platforms haven’t been able to track both for us. Affiliates are just one channel you use, referrals another, but all of that should be in the same platform so you can evaluate how each is performing in comparison to the other.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
01:27-02:04

Yeah, I think it makes total sense, and that’s a great definition. Once again, affiliate is like, “Hey, I’m building—I’ve got some traffic going here, and I can maybe make some money from it.” Referral is going to be more of a deeper relationship with people who have worked with you. Not quite that relationship. Hopefully down the road, it becomes a deeper relationship where you can get higher affiliate fees or something like that, but in the beginning it’s, “Hey, let’s just see if this thing works.” So if you’re a marketer, how do you evaluate which one’s best for you? I mean, I’ve been in different types of relationships, but if you’re a marketer, where would you start off?

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Michael Cole

Speaker 2
02:05-03:59

Yeah, so as a marketer, you should always start with referral marketing for the very simple reason that it’s easy to do. It’s always going to be your best customers. So much of our growth has been built on referral marketing—you get happy customers, and they spread the word, telling other people, “Hey, check out this platform.” Then that person signs up. A customer who comes through a warm referral is always going to be great. They tend to know more about what your platform does before they sign up, and they’re usually more experienced in the industry because they’ve already been with successful companies, so they ramp up a lot quicker.

Referral marketing is always your starting place. Then typically, affiliate marketing comes into play. Start with referral marketing because you can always refine that process as you go along. After that, you want to get some paid performance marketing going so you can have a steady stream of traffic month after month, which you can use for conversion rate optimization. Make sure your product works with paid marketing, that you have your funnel down to be successful, and then once you prove that external traffic can convert, you can launch your affiliate program. At that point, you’re leveraging third-party experts—people who live and breathe driving performance. But they’re still mercenaries. If they try your offer and nothing happens, they’re not going to keep trying; they’re the ones taking on the risk. You need to make sure they’re set up for success from the beginning, and that means you need to have your own funnels working before you start asking other people to do that work.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
03:59-04:57

Yeah, I think that makes total sense, because that’s the thing: I see a lot of people do that, saying, “Hey, we’re going to do affiliate marketing,” and they just start doing it, thinking it’s going to be awesome. But if you haven’t looked at your own conversions and figured out if people can convert off a certain page, you’re just handing it over to somebody. And I don’t care if they drive one person or a million people—if there are no conversions, they’re not going to keep doing it. You have to be prepped for that. You have to be ready to say, “Listen, we’ve had good conversion rates off this landing page. This is where you can drive the traffic. We’re at 3%, so if you’re driving 100,000 people at $20, this is what your money could potentially do.” I love that because I think most people think affiliate is just going to add on and have tons of people driving traffic and making millions of dollars. There’s a lot that goes into that. This should be a science. You should look into it before you give it to people and say, “Hey, let’s try it,” because you only get one chance to make that first impression. People are going to say, “No, it doesn’t work. I’m not coming back to that. I’ll just grab an affiliate that does work and make my money.”

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Michael Cole

Speaker 2
04:58-06:22

So yeah, one other thing I want to mention is that it’s been an ongoing lesson we’ve been learning at Everflow and improving on. So many companies want to have an affiliate or partner program, but they don’t know—they have this idea that it will be great, and they have no idea how to execute on it. They don’t know how to set it up, and they don’t know who to recruit once they’ve done it. You’d be surprised how many sign up with us, pay money, and then have zero idea of how to be successful, which is something we’ve really focused on.

For any new customer, we have mandatory onboarding where we train them on the platform, walk them through the setup process of getting all the conversion tracking, and then we actually recommend some partners for them to launch with. Once you get traction with affiliate programs, it’s pretty easy to keep scaling it. It’s very exciting for an affiliate to find a new place to promote, but there has to be some success before most of them can be successful on their side. So we’ve gone through a process where we realize that we just need to walk you through this process with hand-holding because it makes everyone’s life easier. Once you get traction, it just works—you just need to get to that point of traction.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
06:23-07:21

Yeah, that’s the key. I think you can talk about that kind of white glove experience in onboarding people and making sure that once they get their first few sales, they’re excited about it. It’s one thing to get the software, but the software is nothing if you don’t know what you’re doing. It’s like, “Okay, I got the software,” but no money comes in yet because you got to set it up and have someone running it, and you have to be able to look at these things. The software isn’t magic—you got to pour some data into it and get something going for it to work its magic.

So on that note, Michael, please allow me to pause our conversation and tell our listeners about our customized digital marketing services. My team and I offer online PR, content marketing, influencer marketing, SEO, and so much more. If you want more information, visit my website at shanebarker.com.

Now back to the conversation with Michael. I get that. So let’s talk about some successful affiliate and referral marketing programs out there. Have you worked with any companies or can you share some examples of the most successful ones you’ve done in the past?

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Michael Cole

Speaker 2
07:23-09:32

Yeah, so in terms of successful clients, it depends all over the place, and a lot of times it’s about the fact that they had a confident strategy and knew which partners they wanted to start with. I mean, there are examples of a few ad networks out there, like DFO or Giddy Up, that are delivering millions of dollars in revenue for Shopify merchants every month just by managing really great media buyer publishers. So they set up, use Everflow to instantly integrate with the Shopify store, and then they start promoting for that merchant. That’s been an incredible success, and we’ve spent a lot of time making it as easy as possible for them to launch these relationships right away with their new merchant clients.

Then there’s mobile—everything is running around like agencies and ad networks. That’s just the fastest way to grow: if you have an app, set it up with an ad network, set up a good CPI and CPA, do a lot of anti-fraud work in between, either using the Everflow platform or MMP. There are many companies generating multi-millions in revenue every month just by generating app installs for brands.

And then the third set is the merchants themselves—companies like Bite Me or Bunk that basically manage specific publisher relationships, getting set up with media buyers to shore up channels they’re not used to. For example, I just had a really successful campaign with this amazing native ad company called Ad Vita, which was buying native ads on their behalf on a performance basis, and they generated about $26K in revenue in the first month by sending native ads to Bite Me, which is a key subscription.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
09:33-09:40

That’s awesome. Don’t you love that? When you have those kinds of campaigns, you’re like, “Man, this is awesome. I know the client loves it.” They’re like, “Yeah, 26 grand. Let’s keep this going.”

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Michael Cole

Speaker 2
09:41-10:05

Yeah, it’s always awesome. Man, it’s something that we’ve been focusing more and more on—doing this sort of pattern matching. Like, for this new e-commerce brand, here are some companies they should talk to that will help them get that first success, or get them to that one success that will now be in their top 10 best affiliates or partners.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
10:06-10:55

Well, what I love about that is that, you know, it’s once again, you talk about the competitors. I mean, there can be, you know, five million potential affiliates you can work with, but I love the fact that you guys also put in the effort to make those connections because that’s the key, right? I mean, I can jump in and do affiliate marketing and reach 10,000 different people to put on my site, but the fact that you guys are saying, “Hey, let us help you be successful. Let us help make that connection because we think this product over here would be great for your site,” and you guys are just a software—like, that’s really not your job, but that’s what you do. You’re saying, “Hey, let me make those connections,” which is extremely valuable. Because once again, when they start seeing some small wins, they’re never going to stop using your software, right? Once they see that traction, it’s like you guys are going to be in there. That’s where you guys are at with your 600 clients right now, right? I mean, that AR just keeps getting higher and higher, and good things are happening. So, congrats on that.

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Michael Cole

Speaker 2
10:56-11:35

So, yeah, I mean, I think it’s modern B2B SaaS companies—it’s not just about the technology, because the more advanced your technology gets, the more complicated it can be. And it’s even more important that you’re providing tons of support and success. For us, that’s always been our secret weapon: we take a ton of customer feedback, build features that our customers actually want, and excited customers become evangelists who refer business to us. And that’s part of why our growth has been so fast, because our customers refer other customers, and that’s the best way to find them.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
11:36-11:53

I love it. You guys are doing Everflow and referral marketing, right? And they come from doing referrals. I mean, once again, that’s the hottest way to do it because then people are already using it and it’s going great. Well, why wouldn’t I use it, right? You don’t skip the whole point of getting to know each other—you go straight to the end, like, “Why don’t we just get married?” This is awesome. Just make it happen.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
11:54-12:09

Thanks, Michael. It’s been an eye-opening conversation, and I’m sure listeners have learned a lot about how to improve their affiliate and referral marketing strategies. However, we have to wrap things up at this point for our listeners. Please stay tuned to the next episode as Michael and I discuss the past, present, and future of affiliate marketing.

00:09
Introduction to Episode 102 and Michael Cole's Return
00:34
Affiliate Marketing vs. Referral Marketing: Key Differences
02:00
Michael's Perspective on Marketing Channels
04:00
Consolidating Affiliate and Referral Marketing Data
06:30
Tracking and Evaluating Marketing Performance
08:00
The Importance of Using Unified Platforms for Marketing
09:30
Future Trends in Affiliate and Referral Marketing
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