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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

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In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

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In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

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In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
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B2B Affiliate Marketing: Expert Insights from Oli Bridge, the CMO of Bonjoro

In this episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, Shane Barker and Oli Bridge from Bonjoro dive into expert strategies for B2B affiliate marketing. Oli reveals practical ways to recruit and retain affiliates by leveraging personal connections, enhancing affiliate onboarding, and building engaging relationships. Learn how thoughtful affiliate marketing can drive steady growth, improve brand reach, and create a reliable revenue stream for your business.

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Oli Bridge

Oliver Bridge is a SaaS growth consultant and GTM strategist specializing in helping startups scale from launch to $1M+ ARR. As the founder of Zero to MRR Growth Marketing, he uses a systematic go-to-market (GTM) testing approach to identify the best positioning, ICP, and growth channels—launching rapid experiments to unlock scalable, low-cost growth.

Previously, Oliver served as Head of Marketing at Bonjoro, where he helped position it as the #1 video engagement platform for sales and customer success teams. He also led UK operations for Verbate.co, a video insights platform that worked with 200+ agencies and brands across 50+ global markets.

With a track record of driving efficient, data-driven growth, Oliver continues to help SaaS companies refine their GTM strategy, scale faster, and maximize customer engagement in a competitive digital landscape.

Episode Show Notes

On this episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, Shane Barker sits down with Oli Bridge from Bonjoro to explore the powerful world of B2B affiliate marketing. Oli shares his firsthand experiences and the common challenges marketers face, such as recruiting quality affiliates and keeping them engaged long-term. The discussion dives into how Bonjoro leveraged its existing customer base to build a thriving affiliate network organically.

Oli emphasizes the importance of personal connections and creating tailored affiliate onboarding experiences, illustrating how genuine relationships can boost affiliate retention and brand advocacy. He also highlights key benefits like building reliable traffic streams, gaining quality backlinks, and generating consistent revenue through affiliate programs.

Listeners will gain actionable advice on starting a successful B2B affiliate marketing strategy, including valuable tips for selecting the right affiliate management tools and crafting compelling landing pages. Tune in to learn from Oli’s expert insights and elevate your approach to affiliate marketing.

Brands mentioned

  • Bonjoro
  • Rakuten
  • ConvertKit
  • Tapfiliate
  • Hotmail
  • Twitter
  • Facebook
  • Amazon
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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:09-00:31

Welcome to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I’m your host, Shane Barker, and on this episode, Oli Bridge from Bonjoro joins us for another intriguing conversation. For those joining the podcast for the first time, here’s a quick recap of our previous discussions: Oli shared Bonjoro’s growth story and detailed how they retain their customers and turn them into super fans. Today, we’re taking a slight detour and diving into B2B affiliate marketing. Let’s get started.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:34-00:45

So another thing I want to talk about is B2B affiliate marketing. Let’s start with this: What is your experience with B2B affiliate marketing? Give us a little background.

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
00:47-01:38

That’s what’s funny about it—you know, I always tell clients and customers, “Look at your current network.” You have super fans, advocates, people who love you, and you’re trying to get other people to like and love you too. Instead of chasing new affiliates, why not tap into the people already in your Facebook community or your Instagram following? They already love you; you just need to figure out who they are. On the affiliate side, you could find, say, a “master affiliate” in Thailand making millions of dollars—that’s great—but at the end of the day, he doesn’t necessarily care about the product; he cares about the money. It comes down to: How much can I make if you give me, say, $20 and I get $18 in commission? Obviously, the product plays a role as well, but it’s really about traffic. If you go after people who already love Bonjoro—people who don’t need a “Bonjoro tattoo” because they’re already using and loving it—that word of mouth is absolutely awesome. I love that strategy. It’s a huge tip: start with your current audience when it comes to affiliate or influencer marketing.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
01:39-02:45

What’s funny is that clients often ask, “Which influencers should I target?” I always tell them to start with their own network. You already have superfans and advocates—people who love your brand and have even emailed you to say so. Instead of pitching strangers, look at your Facebook community, Instagram followers, newsletter subscribers—anyone who’s already shown enthusiasm. You don’t need to sell them; they already believe in you.

On the affiliate side, you could chase the big earners—those “master affiliates” making millions overseas. But they care more about commission than your product. They’ll switch to whoever pays them more. Your real power comes from people who already use and love what you offer. Their genuine word‑of‑mouth recommendations are far more effective than any paid promotion. In short, leverage your existing audience first—whether for influencer partnerships or affiliate programs.

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
02:45-03:14

As long as you know your audience well enough from early on, you’ll get enough advocates to drive your affiliate program. We were really lucky—our biggest inflection point was three years ago when Pat Flynn used our product. He got sent a video from ConvertKit, was intrigued, and ended up signing up for Bonjoro. I think we even sent him a bear! We won him over, and that really boosted our momentum.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
03:14-04:04

That’s always a good thing. I love that, too. When you send somebody a Bonjoro, they actually say, “Wait a second, what’s this all about?” There’s something very organic about it. I think it started with what I believe was a “hot mail” that was sent out originally—if you wanted a free account, it said, “Sign up here.” People saw that and thought, “This is really awesome. What is this?” And that caught my attention too. When we talked about it, I was blown away—it was insane. That kind of next-level stuff really got my mind racing. And since then, you guys have consistently done great things.

Now, what do you think are some of the common challenges for marketers when it comes to Facebook—or rather, affiliate marketing on Facebook? What are some of the pain points?

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
04:05-05:25

The biggest challenge is recruiting affiliates. I always say, start small. There comes a point when your affiliate program is working, and then you can start reaching out and doing cold outreach. But whenever you do cold outreach, no matter what kind, it has to be hyper-personal. You’ll never get a great affiliate relationship if it isn’t truly personal. Then there’s the challenge of getting them to choose you over other options—there are always new products popping up, and affiliates are always on the lookout.

One thing I’ve done is “dogfood” our own product: whenever a new affiliate signs up, I send them a personalized welcome video. That way, I’m really focusing on the onboarding process. A lot of affiliate marketers can do that too—it’s all about activating them and keeping your product top of mind. Honestly, keeping affiliates interested, especially if they’re not making as much money as they hoped, is a tough challenge I’m still figuring out.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
05:25-06:07

It’s always an ongoing challenge because there’s always something new and shiny offering a higher commission. But I think the key is developing relationships. Even if their commission is a bit higher elsewhere, show them the different ways your product can be used. Affiliate marketing isn’t easy—sometimes your audience loves certain things, and sometimes they don’t. Ultimately, you need to educate them on the opportunities available.

So what do you think are some of the major benefits of doing affiliate marketing? It can be a lot of work, but what are the upsides?

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
06:07-07:25

For a company starting out, one of the big benefits is backlinks. If you’re looking to grow your domain authority, early on you might get lucky with backlinks from micro or mid-level influencers that give you that extra “backlink juice.” Another benefit is that it’s really reliable—it creates a flywheel effect

A B2B affiliate program, once well-activated, tends not to peter out. You’ll keep getting a steady drip of clicks, similar to great content marketing. If your affiliates create quality content, that’s a constant source of value. Plus, setting up an affiliate program can be super simple. If you already have an affiliate program, just integrate it into your SaaS tool’s dashboard or website, so your existing customers can easily sign up. It’s simple—just don’t overcomplicate it in those early months.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
07:26-07:56

Yeah, though it can be complicated. You have to decide whether to do a “share a sale” model, what networks to use, whether commissions are recurring, what percentages, and so on—so many moving pieces. But once you establish a good program and see results, you can show other affiliate marketers, “Hey, this is what we built. Here are the banners we’ve used.” Some really good things can happen. What do you think are some of the best tools for B2B affiliate marketing?

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
07:58-08:36

The tool I use is Tapfiliate. I don’t have experience with others, but I love Tapfiliate—it’s simple to set up, easy for me to manage as a publisher, and makes it simple to get people paid, especially from a SaaS and B2B perspective. Apart from that, it’s important to stay connected with your affiliates. I don’t feel like I need a large stack of affiliate management tools; if anyone has suggestions for tools I should be using, let me know, but right now, I feel it’s sufficient.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
08:36-09:41

And that’s the thing: I think many people miss that it’s the quality of the affiliates that matters, not just the quantity. If you can make your affiliates feel special and help them understand exactly how your product works—and how they can integrate it into their content—that’s where the true value lies. With Bonjoro, for example, there are so many ways people can use it. When an affiliate truly grasps the educational aspect and how to integrate it in their articles, that’s where the magic happens. We even have a video funnel playbook that shows how our clients are succeeding. I know there are plenty of strategies out there that I haven’t even thought of yet, and with our current system funnels, there are ways to make our outreach even more personal. I love that we can constantly improve on that.

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
09:42-10:24

Yeah, sorry, I was going to say maybe a good landing page builder as well—if you want to truly ensure you’re getting personalized partner pages for your affiliates. One of my biggest regrets is that early on, our CMS didn’t have the ability to build great, compelling partner pages. We needed those pages for our affiliate partners, but since we’re a SaaS company, 95% of our resources go to product rather than marketing. I’m always at the back of the queue when it comes to that stuff, but finally, we’re getting around to it. So, starting out, if you have a really great way to build compelling landing pages for your partners, that’s key.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
10:24-12:10

Yeah, I agree with you there. There are a few companies in the influencer space that did it very well. They worked with thought leaders and influencers, building awesome landing pages featuring those influencers. For example, an influencer would talk about a makeup product, and when people visit the landing page and see the influencer there, it’s like, “Oh, that’s exactly what I want.” It really helps boost conversions.

Several makeup companies have done that personalized approach—it takes some work, but once you have the template and invest the time, the personalization really makes a difference. People see something like, “Jennifer recommended this. Here I am on Jennifer’s landing page. I know this is what I want to buy because she just showed me the demo on her Instagram.”

Hey Ollie, let me pause the conversation for a minute to talk to our listeners about the services my team and I offer. If you need help with any of your digital marketing campaigns—whether it’s SEO, influencer marketing, content marketing, or PR—you can hire us. We offer customized solutions so you can skyrocket your growth and boost your ROI. For more details, please check out my site at shanebarker.com. Now, back to the conversation with Ollie.

This has been awesome—I knew we were going to have a good time with this. Now we come to what I call the fun section; honestly, I think the whole thing has been fun. Even if you don’t think so, that’s okay, but I like to have some fun here. So, if you could travel to one place in the world for free, where would you go and what would you do there? And let me add that wherever you go will be 100% COVID free—you’ll be fully safe, which is pretty much nowhere in the world right now. But in this little special world we’re building, you’ll get a COVID-free trip. You can even bring your family, your current wife, or even your past wife if you don’t have one. So where would that be, man?

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
12:10-12:40

I think I’d go to Rwanda for two reasons. First, one of my best friends, Tom, has lived out there for almost seven years, and I haven’t been able to get the money or the time together to visit him because of having kids and other commitments. And second, when I’m there, I’d do the whole trail trek to see the mountain gorillas—which would be a truly memorable, once-in-a-lifetime experience.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
12:40-12:42

What does Tom do out there?

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
12:43-13:25

He went out and started a website reporting on European soccer leagues in East African languages—a really good idea that took off. At one point, he had the second-biggest sports Facebook following on the continent, second only to a sports website in South Africa whose name I can’t recall. He started with that, and I’m not entirely sure what he’s doing now. To be honest, I think he might now be involved in Internet of Things connectivity for supply chains in Rwanda—that’s way above my head; I’m not sure what he’s up to with that.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
13:25-13:52

Go, Tom—awesome! We need to get out to Rwanda. That would be incredible. I’ve never been there myself—though I think my brother’s been to Rwanda—and I’ve heard nothing but good things about it. Of course, like any country, there are things you have to watch out for and all that fun stuff, but overall, the reviews are really positive.

Now, here comes the next big fun question in our fun section: If you could choose a superpower, what would it be? What would be your superpower?

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
13:55-14:02

I used to answer superpower questions with “invisibility,” but I always thought it sounded a bit seedy—like, what would I do with that?

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
14:04-14:10

I actually want to be invisible, kind of like how you were when your wife came back—we used to call it “stocking” once again—but it’s okay.

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
14:10-14:38

I’m going to go with flight. Honestly, I’m going with flight. It’s just been Christmas time, and I don’t know if you guys watch it much during the holidays, but watching snowmen and kids flying through the air with a snowman is such a good time. How cool would it be if I could fly over a snowy winter in Shropshire, taking Finn, my three-year-old, over those Christmas scenes?

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
14:13-14:52

Very Peter Pan-ish. I like that. Yeah, I mean, why not? What’s your son’s name? Finley? Yeah, he would love that—maybe right after you fly-kick your brother! That’s the idea I’d love to see.

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
14:52-14:57

Maybe I’ve been in lockdown too long. I’ve been with Finley for such a long time that I’m starting to feel like a child at heart.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
14:57-15:20

I want to fly. No one’s here to judge—if you want to fly, you get to fly.

Last question: If you could have dinner with three people, dead or alive, who would they be and why? I love asking this question because the answers are always so unpredictable—you think you have someone pinned down, and they say something totally unexpected, leaving you with no idea.

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
15:21-16:13

I was thinking about this earlier, and one thing came to mind that’s never come to mind before. It’s a little sad and heart-wrenching, but the first person I thought of was my mum’s mum. I never met her, and I often wonder how amazing it would be to meet someone so close to me—someone I almost had the chance to meet when she died. So, I’d choose my mum’s mum. Then, since I haven’t seen my mom in ages due to lockdown, I’d also choose my mom. And for a bit of family reunion magic, I’d pick someone to keep us all entertained and to offer some deep insights—Brian Cox, the scientist. He’s so inspirational; he could sit there and share amazing things about the universe, uplifting all of us.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
16:13-16:56

That’s perfect—you’d have Grandma, your mom, and then someone who’s smarter than almost everyone, who educates and entertains you. That’s why I love asking these questions: they mix personal choices—like family—with public figures such as Bob Marley, Elvis, or even Obama. I love the variety, because it shows who wants to sit at your table.

So, if anyone needs to get in contact with you or wants to find more information about Bonjoro, where do we go?

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
16:57-17:32

Bonjoro is easy. Just head to BONJORO.com to learn what we’re all about. Personally, I spend most of my time on Twitter—my handle is oli_bridge—so if you want to follow and connect to discuss marketing or other topics, that’s a great way to do it. And then there’s the Video Funnel Playbook, which is key—it’s the fundamental backbone of what I did in marketing last year, and it helps our customers understand how video can work for them.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
17:33-18:11

I’m going to be downloading that playbook literally right after the podcast—before everyone else does—because we don’t want your site to go down from all the traffic, right? I mean, there are hundreds of millions (or maybe a little less) of people who listen to me weekly—probably just my aunt, mom, and cousin, but still—they’re going to download it. We’re excited about it. And if you’re listening and you like what you hear, be sure to subscribe.

Once again, Oli, thanks for taking the time. I know we’ve been going back and forth, and I’m excited we got you on today. I’m looking forward to chatting with you more after I get that playbook—I can probably think of 40 different ways to use Bonjoro, so we should definitely set up another time to talk soon.

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Oli Bridge

Speaker 2
18:11-18:15

Cool, thanks. I genuinely really loved it—I really enjoyed our conversation. Thanks a lot.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
18:16-18:17

Absolutely, man, cool. We’ll be talking here soon.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
18:19-18:27

Thank you for tuning in to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I hope you learned a lot that you can apply to your marketing campaigns. On the next episode, I’ll host another thought leader, so stay tuned.

00:34
Introduction and Key Discussion Points
01:39
Oli’s Background and How He Joined Bonjoro
04:10
The Impact of Personalization in Customer Outreach
07:50
How Tapfiliate and Referral Programs Work
11:30
Oli's Experience with Traveling and Business Insights
14:45
Future of Customer Communication and Engagement Trends
This Isn’t a Sales Funnel, It’s a Partnership

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