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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

Start Reading Foundational Guide

In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

Start Reading List Building

In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

Start Reading Tools & Software

In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

Start Reading Copywriting & Messaging

In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
Digital Marketing Expert
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Producing Your First Online Course: Tips From LearnWorlds CEO, Panos Siozos

In this episode, Shane Barker and Panos Siozos, CEO of LearnWorlds, reveal insights for launching your first online course. Panos explains how to simplify content creation by breaking down material into shorter, manageable lessons while overcoming perfectionism. He highlights the importance of launching, gathering feedback, and iterating, plus using an all-in-one platform to remove technical hurdles, so you can focus on delivering impactful educational experiences.

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Panos Siozos

Panos Siozos is a technology entrepreneur and edtech innovator, leading as Co-Founder and CEO of LearnWorlds, a SaaS platform transforming online education. With a PhD in Educational Technology from Aristotle University, he combines deep academic expertise with hands-on experience in software engineering, IT management, and research policy.

Before launching LearnWorlds, Panos worked as a science and policy advisor at the European Parliament, shaping research and innovation policies across Europe. He has also contributed to numerous EU-funded research projects, focusing on computer-assisted assessment, online learning environments, and ICT innovation.

Now at LearnWorlds, Panos is "tasting his own medicine"—helping businesses and educators worldwide create engaging, interactive learning experiences. Passionate about privacy, computer ethics, and educational policy, he continues to drive the future of digital learning and innovation.

Episode Show Notes

In this episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, host Shane Barker sits down with Panos Siozos, CEO and co-founder of LearnWorlds, to break down the process of producing your first online course. Panos explains that one of the biggest challenges for beginners is transforming expert knowledge into teachable, engaging content. Even if you know your subject inside and out, it’s not always easy to translate that into a lesson that resonates. He advises breaking down long presentations into shorter, manageable segments—rather than recording an unmanageable 60-minute video, try creating several concise 10-minute sessions that can be updated over time.

Panos also highlights the pitfalls of perfectionism. In today’s digital age, thanks to the casual quality of Zoom meetings and the rough charm of early YouTube videos, content creators should feel empowered to launch with a “good enough” product. The key is to launch, gather genuine feedback, and continuously improve your course. Additionally, Panos discusses how LearnWorlds removes the technical complexity of course creation by offering an all-in-one platform—think of it as a Shopify for online courses—so you can focus on delivering valuable content while the platform takes care of the rest.

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Brands mentioned

  • LearnWorlds
  • Shopify
  • Zoom
  • YouTube
  • UCLA
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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:09-00:23

Welcome to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I’m your host, Shane Barker. On this episode, we have Panos Siozos, the CEO of LearnWorlds, back with us for an in-depth look at how to create a successful online course. We touched on some basics in the last segment, so let’s take a deeper dive now.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:26-00:33

So what do you think? What do you think some of the biggest challenges are for those looking to create an online course? What are some of the things they deal with?

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Panos Siozos

Speaker 2
00:35-03:53

For first-time creators, content creation is usually the hardest part. Even if someone is an expert and knows a topic by heart, it’s not always easy to become a teacher. You’ve done this, so you know what it takes: how to break things down and make them practical. That’s where we come in, giving advice and templates for online courses. We also provide a lot of customer education by publishing papers and eBooks, trying to convince people to keep it simple. Sometimes they’ll say, “I have an idea—I’m an expert in one subject and have a one-hour presentation. Should I record it all in one video?” We always say, “Hell no, don’t do that.” It’s too hard to produce and edit a 60-minute video, and you’ll never be able to update it. So, break it into six 10-minute videos. That way, you can easily update or add new content in between.

Another big issue is perfectionism. Fortunately, 2020 helped ease that. Now everyone’s on Zoom in pajamas with kids and cats wandering around, so we understand “good enough” is sometimes perfectly fine. You don’t have to spend tens of thousands of dollars on multiple cameras, green screens, and so on. If you can, great—but it’s not necessary. People can still make money by producing solid content, applying good teaching skills, and delivering the knowledge that students want, without needing a Hollywood studio setup.

Those are the two main obstacles new course creators face. For people who’ve already taught courses, the usual challenge is dealing with complexity. That’s also what we aim to solve at LearnWorlds—handling the technical side. You realize you need a website, eCommerce or checkout options, memberships, payment processing, enrollments, coupons… At some point, it’s overwhelming, especially if you rely on plugins. That’s why we offer an all-in-one platform—sometimes we call it “Shopify for online courses”—so you can be up and running in just a few hours. We’ve had users sign up and start selling the very next day. Our goal is to remove all that complexity, so if you know something valuable, you can focus on your content and your students—and hopefully make some money, too.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
03:54-05:16

Yeah, that’s the biggest hurdle I’d agree on: just launching. I mean, people used to be perfectionists—“I’ve gotta do this, I’ve gotta change that.” But as you mentioned, you don’t need a $5,000 camera; you don’t need a full lighting setup. You just need to get something out there, right? Because people will either like your content or they won’t. And your delivery is one thing—the settings and all that—but if you’re producing great content, good things should happen. I think the real problem is that people get hung up on those details. Like I say in my past podcasts, it’s like my blog: when I show it to my UCLA students, I say, “Hey, check this out,” and they’re like, “That’s terrible.” I’m like, “Exactly—but I started!” If I hadn’t started my blog nine or ten years ago, I wouldn’t be where I am today. That’s a big part of it.

And sure, I’m not a great writer. I wrote that blog and went, “This is terrible.” When I do video, I don’t feel like I’m the most attractive guy—my wife thinks I’m attractive, but that might have dwindled over the years. But anyway, my point is, we just have to do it. We have to get it out there and make it happen. It doesn’t need to be perfect. The idea is to launch and make it happen. I love that. So what would you—obviously, you guys, yeah, go ahead.

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Panos Siozos

Speaker 2
05:16-06:36

Sorry to interrupt, but that’s also our motto. We did a challenge here to help some people get through the funnel. Our motto now is, “Just launch it.” Hopefully we won’t run into any copyright issues, but sometimes “good enough” is fine. We try to give people the framework to just put it out there. The first version is supposed to be terrible. You’re supposed to look back six months later, hate it, and realize you’ve learned a lot, so you can do better. So just launch it.

We also help people sometimes by letting them pre-launch their course. Don’t spend six months creating, I don’t know, a 30-hour video course. Just create the first couple hours, put it out there, do a mini-launch, or launch it for free—or just charge a dollar. Even if you end up selling it for $500 later, get it out there in front of actual users. They’ll give you honest feedback, not your mom or your wife, who love you and will say, “Yes, that’s great.” Put it in front of customers who might come back with very honest, even brutal, feedback. That’s the best thing you can do today: get it in front of people. So just launch it.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
06:37-07:07

Agreed, I like that. Yeah, don’t give it to “yes” people—don’t give it to your mom, because she’s going to say it’s great, right? Don’t give it to your wife unless she’s brutally honest. My wife’s Italian, so she’ll just tell me outright, “I don’t like that,” and I’m like, “Okay, there we go.” That’s all I know. I’m Irish, so it’s a good relationship about 98% of the time. By the way, if you’re listening, baby, I love you.

Anyway, let’s talk about the online course thing, because obviously you guys have probably seen thousands of courses. What differentiates a good online course from a great one?

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Panos Siozos

Speaker 2
07:09-09:31

Well, I think a great course is well-structured and interactive. That’s also part of what we’re trying to do. You mentioned community, and how important it is to create a community around your online course. We’ve seen that the best courses are those that manage to build a sort of flywheel community—bringing in more people and more user-generated content and comments. Sometimes the teacher doesn’t even have to answer their students’ questions, because you have other students jumping in, showing off what they know, helping and supporting each other.

This is also where we try to help with our own platform, by letting creators make the best versions of their online courses. One example is video. There’s a lot of video out there—on YouTube, you name it—and anyone can just record something on their phone camera or do a screencast, but it often ends up being linear or sometimes even boring. We try to detail that in one way or another, adding our own expertise. For example, in our platform, we added an interactive video editor: you can take a plain, linear video and convert it into an interactive experience. So the student watches something, then a question pops up. They have to answer in order for the video to continue or branch off, getting them further down or back to where they made a mistake. That way, they’re no longer passive viewers (like someone watching Netflix); they have to interact—they’re in the game.

This creates happy students who actually complete their courses. A lot of online courses suffer from low engagement and high attrition. And maybe after a few weeks, you’ve seen the big MOOCs like Coursera—people drop off. So what we’re trying to do is create engaging, interactive courses where you really interact with the content and with your fellow students. By the end, you’ll be happy with the course, and hopefully you’ll buy another one from the same source. That’s the kind of experience we’re helping our creators achieve.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
09:31-09:52

On that note, Panos, please allow me a moment to speak directly to our listeners. If you need a customized digital marketing strategy that can skyrocket your growth, my team and I can help. We offer services such as online PR, content marketing, influencer marketing, and much more. You can visit our website—shanebarker.com—for more information. Now, back to the conversation with Panos.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
09:52-10:06

So here’s the thing: you talked about making engaging content. How can marketers use LearnWorlds to create great courses? You mentioned engagement, which totally makes sense. But what are some other factors?

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Panos Siozos

Speaker 2
10:11-12:17

As I mentioned, education is the best form of marketing. This approach does wonders for marketers who want to offer free knowledge and get people onto their platform so they gain something valuable. Having an easy funnel and making the sign-up process simple is crucial, and it’s one way we use our own platform. We always say that the best way to start your funnel is with a free course and a great landing page—somewhere it’s super easy for people to come in, sign up, and sample what you offer. That’s the first step in getting them to stay.

Good design also makes a huge difference. People pay a lot of attention to design and branding. Once you have a landing page, you only have one chance to make a great first impression. So that page should be fast, bold, and beautiful, with strong design. It can be expensive if you have to hire designers or spend a lot of time refining templates. That’s also where we try to help, making it easy for people to launch beautiful websites—whether e-learning or otherwise—with just a few clicks, and ensuring they’re mobile-friendly. That’s especially important since, during COVID, many of us were at home with limited computers, relying on tablets or phones. We now see more than 50% of traffic for most websites coming from mobile devices. So launching a beautiful, mobile-friendly website that easily converts visitors is critical for any e-commerce venture—especially online courses.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
12:19-12:45

I mean, I have to agree with you. I think the mobile side of things—AMP, mobile, SEO, all that stuff—is huge. A lot of people haven’t been thinking about it, especially with the core updates Google’s making and will continue making in the next few months. It’s important, especially if somebody wants a good e-learning experience. If it’s not a good experience, they’re not going to want to learn in that environment, right? It’s kind of a no-brainer.

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Panos Siozos

Speaker 2
12:46-13:18

And that’s too much for most people to learn. If you’re a creator or a teacher, you don’t have time to learn SEO, mobile-friendliness, responsive design, landing pages, new design paradigms—things like that. You need something that just works, something easy and beautiful, so you can focus on what you know: your knowledge, your courses, and how to sell more of them. That’s what we’re trying to do: be the right partner with the right platform, so people only have to deal with what they know best.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
13:19-14:19

I love that. So basically, you guys are saying, “We’ll handle all the headaches—you just create your content. We’ll take care of the e-commerce side.” I love that you said it’s like Shopify for e-learning, because that makes total sense. It’s like, let us handle the 98% of stuff you don’t want to learn—landing pages, marketing, conversions, driving traffic—so you can stick to what you’re good at. Maybe you’ve never created a course before; we’ll make it easy for you to create one and succeed. And guess what? Your first one might suck. That’s how it goes for anything the first time. Think about the first YouTube video you ever made—if you became a big YouTube star, I guarantee that first video probably sucked. But you launched it, and that’s what really matters. That’s the key to all of this.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
14:22-14:37

Thanks, Panos. It’s been great having you, and I’m sure our listeners are now ready to create their first successful online course. However, we have to stop the conversation at this point, as we’re running out of time on our next episode, we’ll be back with Panos to talk at length on why it is important for brands to educate customers.

00:28
Introduction and Key Questions for Discussion
02:05
Advice for First-Time Content Creators
05:40
Applying the 'Keep It Simple' Philosophy
09:15
How Businesses Can Scale Their Content Effectively
12:55
Overcoming Information Overload with Smarter Learning
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