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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

Start Reading Foundational Guide

In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

Start Reading List Building

In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

Start Reading Tools & Software

In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

Start Reading Copywriting & Messaging

In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
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The Future of Ecommerce Marketing with John Bruno, VP of Commerce Strategy at PROS

Host Shane Barker and guest John Bruno discuss how ecommerce is set to transform through personalization and dynamic pricing. John shares his insights on moving beyond outdated web templates to create immersive, customized digital experiences that cater to both B2C and B2B buyers. Learn how innovative brands are reimagining the online shopping journey to drive engagement and boost conversion rates.

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Today's guest...
John Bruno

John Bruno is the Vice President of Commerce Strategy at PROS, a leading provider of AI-powered solutions that help businesses optimize revenue operations. With deep experience in B2B commerce, digital transformation, and strategic revenue growth, John empowers global brands to create frictionless buying experiences that drive measurable results.

Before joining PROS, he served as a Principal Analyst at Forrester, focusing on eCommerce and the future of customer engagement. In that role, John analyzed emerging trends, advised Fortune 500 organizations, and published widely-cited research. His expertise in aligning digital capabilities with customer demands has made him a sought-after thought leader in the industry.

A frequent keynote speaker, John shares insights on topics like pricing innovation, channel strategy, and the evolution of customer journeys. His combination of data-driven analysis and industry best practices ensures organizations are equipped to navigate today’s complex commerce landscape and build sustainable, customer-centric growth. He mentors emerging leaders.

Episode Show Notes

On this episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, host Shane Barker sits down with John Bruno, Vice President of Commerce Strategy at PROS, to explore the future of ecommerce marketing. John explains how the online shopping experience is evolving from static, one-size-fits-all catalogs to immersive, personalized journeys that dynamically adjust pricing and product offers based on who you are and when you shop. Drawing on the history of ecommerce—from the first online transaction in 1994 to today’s data-driven innovations—John envisions a future where APIs and composable platforms enable brands to create tailor-made digital experiences.

He contrasts the conventional B2C storefront, where rich imagery and intuitive design engage consumers, with the more complex B2B buyer journey that emphasizes order tracking, negotiated pricing, and repeat purchases. John also highlights how companies like Tesla and Bugaboo are setting new benchmarks in customization and storytelling, inspiring businesses to break free from outdated templates. His insights underscore that the future of ecommerce marketing lies in blending technology with creative content, ensuring that every digital touchpoint not only meets but exceeds customer expectations.

Books mentioned

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Brands mentioned

  • PROS
  • Apple
  • Tesla
  • Rivian
  • Bugaboo
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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:09-01:02

Welcome to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I’m your host, Shane Barker. In the previous episode, we discussed B2B omnichannel marketing best practices and how marketers can leverage them with Jon Bruno. He also explained how the PROS platform makes omnichannel marketing easy by enabling marketers to get the right prices at the right place and time.

That actually kind of touches on what I want to talk about next. It’s about e-commerce platforms and the future of digital experiences. Because obviously, I think that’s going to be a big focus. As we’re touching on that, we talk about the experience people have when buying something off a platform online, and the future of that. I wanted to get your opinion on the actual online shopping experience—what people are doing these days and what they have to go through in the online shopping journey. What’s your opinion on e-commerce platforms, and what does the future look like?

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John Bruno

Speaker 2
01:03-03:24

Yeah, I think the future is going to look a lot different than the past 25 years or so. If you think back, the first e-commerce transaction was in 1994 when some guy in Philadelphia bought a Sting album from someone he knew. And sure enough, e-commerce was born. But if you look at where we’ve come since then, over the past 25 years, it’s largely been the same everywhere. You can see your product catalog navigation going across horizontally at the top of your browser, with the left-hand side displaying your data and facets for product sets, along with some rudimentary search, catalog, payments, promotions, and taxes. It’s pretty standard.

I think there’s a lot of room right now for businesses to make it their own. Not to pick on Apple or talk about them the whole time, but if you go to their website, from a B2C experience, you don’t see that standard layout. Instead, you see front-and-center displays of all their products, rich imagery, and an immersive experience where you feel drawn into the product. Then, they drop a buy button on there. So in the B2C world, I expect to see a lot more experiences like that—more immersive and product-centric.

In the B2B world, it’s really about understanding the buyer journey and making sure you’re delivering an exceptional experience along the way. When a B2B buyer logs into an e-commerce site, one of the first things they want to do is see where something they’ve purchased is. Has it been approved? What is their spend limit? When will the product be fulfilled? What are the things they order most frequently? Because the vast majority of B2B purchases are repeat orders. So, how do you streamline that process? Again, it’s about moving away from the status quo we’ve seen today and creating an experience so compelling that you’re able to cross-sell a customer into a part of your product portfolio that you haven’t sold to them before.

In B2B, it’s usually been a situation where you buy these things at negotiated rates, and everything else is list price. You have to go talk to someone. The world we see from the PROS point of view is one where all of those prices are rendered dynamically based on who you are and based on market conditions. So, the price isn’t just a list price that automatically feels unfair, but rather something you look at and say, “Yeah, that feels good,” and then you can convert and move on with your job.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
03:24-03:34

Yeah. The thing is, it’s calculated, right? It’s not this like, it’s like, now it’s, it’s automated to to know, potentially, what you would be willing to pay, because of data points, because of knowledge.

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John Bruno

Speaker 2
03:35-03:37

Which is exactly how we talk about it, willingness to pay.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
03:37-04:00

Yeah, yeah. Which is awesome. And then, you know, we talk about, I kind of want to talk about, like, the, I don’t know, what do you think, like, dominating the future of e-commerce marketing? Like, what do you think? What do you think is going to dominate? Like, I mean, I’m obviously the customization, right? The personalization, I think, is going to be big. But what are you looking at when you look from your lens? Obviously, you guys are in the back end, kind of controlling this thing. And what do you guys see from your side?

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John Bruno

Speaker 2
04:01-05:51

Yeah, there’s a couple of things, and I hate to point to technology first, but I think technology is going to be a key enabler here. You know, historically speaking, you know, the world in enterprise technology has kind of grown up on this notion of big purpose-built platforms to do purpose-built things, and that’s how we got into the situation that we’re in right now with, you know, every e-commerce site looking nearly identical. So I think the world is going to be driven by APIs, right? APIs and kind of this notion of composability. So you’ll have purpose-built systems to do very specific things, and how you bring those together and infuse that with the rich content and storytelling is really what I think is going to separate the pack. So a good example of that is, you know, maybe you’ll have a similar experience there, but you think about how, you know, modern companies like Tesla or Rivian have, of kind of made it all about understanding, you know, the car in every option that’s available for it to really enrich the experience. You know, picking your interior, your sound systems, your paints, your special order things you know you can look up, and 45 minutes have passed because you become so entrenched in that process. Well, what if every purchase could be that level of personalization, right? And so the ability to make something that you’re purchasing your own? I think we’re going to see more of that. I remember following along and seeing Bugaboo, the stroller company allow people to pick, you know, the material of their frame, and the limited edition canopies and all these things, we’re going to see a heightened level of immersive customer experience from that digital domain standpoint, all backed by really nice, rich content and storytelling.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
05:52-06:44

Yeah, I mean, to me, that sounds incredible. It’s so funny because I literally just was looking at the Tesla truck, or the Cybertruck yesterday, and I was looking at this thing, and I started clicking on this and clicking on this and clicking on this, and I was about, I was about 80,000 in the hole within about two minutes of clicking on stuff. And I was like, I was like, if I pull the trigger on this right now, my wife is gonna be super pumped. I’m like, Hey, guess what? Just spent 80 grand. Like, guess what? So will I so, yeah, but it was crazy. The reason I’m telling you that is because it’s just so easy to, you know, look at the interior. You can do this. You can get it was just, you just put in a deposit. But the Tesla being a great example of that. You can customize things. And it’s an opportunity to upsell, right? Like, Hey, you want, you got a Tesla? You want the white seats, don’t you? Well, of course I do. And of course you want the, you know, the brakes with this, of course. I mean, of course. Who doesn’t want that right next? You know, you’re 100 grand out the whole but you just created it. Like you just created it, and you just built your car, like…

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John Bruno

Speaker 2
06:46-07:48

Yeah. And the same holds true in the B to B world when you’re talking about outcomes, right? So if you’re a manufacturer of tools and equipment, right? So if you’re thinking about, you know, I need to cut something, I need a saw of some sort. And there’s, you know, hundreds of options available to you. Imagine the experience where instead of, you know, filtering through that left-hand side that we talked about, imagine the experience where the website actually asks you the question, what are you trying to cut through? Is it wood? Is it stone? Is it tile? And you’re like, now, it’s wood, and, you know, the experience start to narrow down from there, kind of using more of a conversational or guided interface, you know. Or do you want this to be battery powered? Or do you are you okay plugging in? It’s got to be battery powered. Everything’s battery powered these days. Well, do you think you’re fine with a three-hour battery? You need a five-hour battery, and then all of a sudden, you’re down to one product, and that’s exactly the product that you want. As a buyer, you just have so much confidence in that transaction where I’m ready to pull the trigger right then and there, because we don’t need the comparison shop.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
07:48-08:36

Yeah, I mean, that’s the thing. Like, you built it, that’s the hard part. When you have this experience in tech, like, when I’ll go and buy something, and then I’ll get it and go, “Oh, I didn’t know this is or, Oh, I didn’t think about this.” There’s a certain thing that I’m looking for. If I can ask those questions, and you give me the answers, and I know that the product I’m buying is exactly what I wanted, that’s great. It’s about understanding that we need to do the research. You’ve got to look at this. You’ve got to make sure you’re looking at forums, asking friends. That’s the kind of thing. I’m hoping, you know, I had 10 people say this was it, and I’m pretty sure this is it. But if you’re building something that asks the right questions, that naturally leads you to the next step, it makes total sense. Of course, that’s what it needs to be. But now, with the technology available, we’re seeing a lot more of the customization side of things.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
08:37-09:00

And on that note, John, please allow me to pause the conversation and tell our listeners more about the services my team and I offer. Besides consulting, we also offer fully customized digital marketing services, including content marketing, online PR, influencer marketing, and more. For more details on these services, visit our website at ShaneBarker.com, that’s S, H, A, N, E, B, A, R, K, E, R.com, now back to our discussion with John.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
09:00-09:09

So what I know we talked about Tesla a little bit, what other brands do you think are creating a great digital experience for their customers, and anybody else you guys are behind the scenes with? Tell me.

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John Bruno

Speaker 2
09:10-10:54

Yeah, well, I mean, I think when it comes down to it, there are a lot of cues that the world can take from the airline industry. It might sound mundane to think, “Okay, well, I want a seat on an airplane, and it’s going to be first class, business class, or coach.” But if you look at the airline industry, there are far more fare classes than that right now. And based on who you are as an individual, there are other ancillaries you might want. Do you crave the window seat when there’s only one window seat left? What do we know about you and the driving forces behind your decision-making? In many cases, it’s starting to look like an aggregate right now. Instead of everything being an off-the-shelf product you can purchase, it’s more about assembling products and services all coming together for an offer that’s entirely unique to you.

I think if you look at what some of the airlines are doing by combining fare classes with ancillaries, it’s a good blueprint for where the rest of the world needs to go in similar scenarios. By going through that workflow or those questions, I’m learning a lot more about you. So what if I can also recommend a different kind of saw blade? Or a dual battery charger? Or a specific type of work glove that typically goes along with woodworking? I know a lot more about you, and I can start to assemble offers—not just prices, but offers that are entirely unique to the buyer based on the data I know about them. I think we’re going to start moving more in that direction.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
10:54-12:12

I love that! Well, I can tell you the airlines, and this can be confirmed. You can probably check my file there at PROS that I am absolutely a sucker for first-class last minute. Hey, Shane, for $200 or $300, we can upgrade you. Like, I’m like any person who was raised by a mom that we were all about deals. We’d go to grocery stores like Ross or Marshalls or something, and I would try to go find the $100 jacket, no, maybe $100, maybe $20 jacket. That was the one I could get for $7, and then my mom would say no, because it wasn’t $3 but like, I want a deal. And so I know the airlines, I know they’re listening right now, and they’re watching me and judging me and probably taking down notes, because I’m sure I’m a big buyer. I’m going to go at least first class one time this year, maybe potentially, so definitely write this down. But yeah, I am a sucker for that last minute. Like, are you sure you don’t want to be able to put your feet out and have some flite? And I’m like, Okay, I guess it’s a deal. I’ll take it. That sounds good, but I love that. I mean, I think that I’ve definitely seen a lot more that the customization of that like, you know, or when you’re going to pick in your seat, you’re going, so I’m going to sit here and listen there. Well, there, it’s an extra $30 charge. I’m like, wow, but it’s an extra four inches for my feet. I’m tall, you know. And then next, you know, I’m like, wow, now it’s next to $300, it’s a little different than when they quoted me, but it sure looks comfortable. I can’t wait. So that’s awesome. I think the airlines absolutely, there’s a lot to learn from their how they put things together, so.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
12:14-12:31

Eye-opening insights, John. It was great having you, and I’m sure my listeners now know how to better prepare their B to B campaigns. Although this is the end of this episode, I’ll continue talking to John on the next episode. Next time, John will tell us more about how B to B businesses can run effective marketing strategies and make their products stand out. Stay tuned.

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The Future of Digital Marketing
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How Data-Driven Marketing Works
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Understanding Customer Behavior
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Lead Generation Best Practices
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