Go back
Go back
LEARNEmail Marketing
A smiling man with a beard, wearing a buttoned white shirt and a dark blazer, holds an open book with architectural images.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

Start Reading Foundational Guide

In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

Start Reading List Building

In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

Start Reading Tools & Software

In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

Start Reading Copywriting & Messaging

In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

Start Reading Strategy
A smiling man with a reddish beard and short hair, wearing a blue suit jacket and white shirt, poses against a plain gray background.
Shane Barker
Digital Marketing Expert
A smartphone displays the Marketing Growth Podcast page on Spotify, showing episode titles, play buttons, and host Shane Barkers profile photo at the top. The phones clock reads 7:37.

What’s The Impact of Automation on Outsourcing? Derek Gallimore, Founder of Outsource Accelerator, Explains in Detail

Shane Barker interviews Derek Gallimore, CEO of Outsource Accelerator, to uncover how automation is transforming outsourcing. The conversation dives into the synergy between advanced AI tools and agile offshore teams, highlighting practical tips for balancing human intuition with technological efficiency. Listeners learn why combining automation with personal expertise is crucial for modern business growth and discover strategies to streamline operations in an ever-changing digital landscape.

My Learning Hub is now open to the public
Get started
A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.
A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.
Today's guest...
Derek Gallimore

Derek Gallimore is the Founder and CEO of Outsource Accelerator, a premier marketplace dedicated to simplifying business outsourcing for global companies. With over two decades of entrepreneurial experience across various industries, Derek champions the potential of offshoring, empowering organizations to tap into top-tier talent worldwide. Under his leadership, Outsource Accelerator has become a trusted guide for businesses seeking scalable and cost-effective workforce solutions.

Before establishing Outsource Accelerator, Derek launched and managed multiple ventures, gaining broad expertise in remote staffing, property development, and international business strategy. His passion for innovation and cross-border collaboration led him to settle in the Philippines, where he continues to advocate for the transformative impact of outsourcing on both businesses and workers.

Featured in major publications and a sought-after speaker, Derek regularly shares insights on global workforce trends. His commitment to bridging talent gaps underscores his reputation as a leading business voice in the outsourcing industry worldwide.

Episode Show Notes

In this installment of the Marketing Growth Podcast, host Shane Barker sits down with Derek Gallimore, CEO of Outsource Accelerator and a leading advisor in business process outsourcing. The conversation dives deep into the impact of automation on outsourcing, revealing how the two can work in tandem rather than in opposition. Derek explains that while advanced technologies like AI, chatbots, and automated data annotation are rapidly evolving, they are best paired with agile, human-driven teams to keep businesses responsive and innovative.

He outlines how small, dynamic companies can benefit from a hybrid approach. In environments where processes change frequently, relying solely on automation may slow progress; instead, leveraging highly capable offshore staff helps maintain operational flexibility. Derek also discusses how larger, more repetitive operations can embrace full-scale automation without compromising quality. Along the way, he addresses common misconceptions about replacing human expertise with machines, arguing that true efficiency comes from balancing both elements. Shane Barker reinforces the message by highlighting the importance of process improvement and adaptability in today’s digital era. Listeners walk away with actionable insights into integrating cutting-edge automation with traditional outsourcing to drive sustainable, scalable business growth.

Books mentioned

• Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss
• Sapiens by Yuval Harari
• Homo Deus by Yuval Harari
• 12 Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson
• 12 More Rules for Life by Jordan Peterson

Brands mentioned

• Outsource Accelerator
• Alexa
• Siri
• Otter AI

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:10-00:37

Welcome to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I’m your host, Shane Barker, and today I’m joined by Derek Gallimore, the CEO of Outsource Accelerator, one of the leading BPO marketplace operators and advisors. His company helps businesses build and manage offshore teams. Derek is a strong advocate for offshore staffing and its significant benefits. In today’s episode, we’ll discuss how Derek conceptualized Outsource Accelerator and the advantages of outsourcing for global businesses. He’ll also share his thoughts on the future of outsourcing in the post-COVID era.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:38-00:53

Earlier, I kind of touched on like, automation and outsourcing, right? And I think those, well, I’m not gonna give you my opinion. I’m gonna ask your opinion on it, because you’re the professional here. So do you think automation and outsourcing are mutually exclusive? Do you think there’s some synergies there?

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
00:53-03:34

There’s a joke going around about why you need a VA when you’ve got Alexa and Siri. The truth is, our VAs use Alexa and Siri too. It’s humans controlling the machines, not the other way around. I’ve read all the books and listened to all the podcasts about Super AI, singularity, and algorithms taking over the world. But focusing on that is like worrying about a one-in-a-thousand-year meteor strike. Sure, a meteor could wipe out the planet, but in the meantime, we continue with our businesses and day-to-day lives.

If AI, automation, and RPA become so widespread that they eliminate a significant number of jobs, it won’t just be an outsourcing issue. It will be a global issue. We know that automation could potentially eliminate four million driving jobs in the U.S. over the next few years, and it might take away 10 to 15 million jobs in retail checkouts and similar areas. This is happening worldwide. Yet, despite all this automation, if you go to car factories now, robots are doing what used to be done by tens of thousands of workers. This has been happening for decades, and yet, apart from COVID, we’re still seeing record-low unemployment rates. The economy moves forward, and people find new roles.

The world may not need baristas or coffee makers anymore—machines can handle that. We can even fly rockets to Mars. But baristas are still in demand because people appreciate the human touch. The industry is definitely considering all these changes, and business process outsourcing (BPO) is focused on making business processes more efficient, including through automation, machine learning, and AI. However, this doesn’t mean offshore staffing will be wiped out in the next 10 to 20 years. It’s still a massive industry.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
03:34-04:05

Yeah, I would think if it, if it was to take out the industry, would take out other industries here as well, right? I mean, it’s not, it wouldn’t be just happening in in a certain area, would happen everywhere, if that was gonna, if that was the situation. But I don’t think I agree that like that the humans kind of run the machines right, at least for now. While people listen to this podcast, they do, so what? So what other I’m trying to think of regard like I’m trying to think of like so for companies in regards to either automation or outsourcing, like, what factors should companies consider when they’re looking at the two different options?

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
04:06-06:50

Most businesses, especially small ones, have fewer than 10 to 50 people. Only 4% of businesses make it to a million dollars in revenue, and only 4% of those make it to ten million. When you’re a small, young, and growing business, you need to be agile. You need to be building, exploring, and testing. High-growth environments that are constantly changing aren’t suited to automation. You can spend a lot of time on automation and building processes, but if something changes, you’ll need to break everything down and rebuild it.

For small businesses, you need high-caliber, agile, innovative, and autonomous staff who can work quickly and efficiently to build processes. This aligns with the Silicon Valley lean startup methodology. Take Clubhouse, for example—despite being worth a billion dollars, there’s minimal automation because they’re changing week by week, month by month.

For larger, more established companies—like those Warren Buffett invests in, with 50-year histories and thousands of employees—automation works because their processes are stable and repetitive. For those businesses, you can automate the heck out of it, especially when you have 100 people in a room doing the same process over and over for years.

But for smaller, high-growth, and high-change businesses, you need competent, capable staff with a flat structure. These employees should work autonomously, alongside you, to add value and help push the business forward. Once the business stabilizes, then, yes, look for efficiencies and automation. But even then, it’s about finding the right balance. High-caliber team members should be the ones working to build efficiencies and optimizations together—it’s a group effort.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
06:50-07:09

Yeah, no, I see that. I hear it, and obviously we understand that, or at least my company does what would be, in your opinion, obviously being the expert here, how will automation impact outsourcing in the future? Do you think, like, what? Because we touched on it, maybe a little bit. But I want to kind of maybe dive a little deeper into that.

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
07:10-09:55

If super AI becomes a reality in about 50 years, it will change everything. In theory, it could solve problems like cancer, make gravity irrelevant, and allow us to fly to Mars every day. It would solve every issue under the sun. But when it comes to basic automation, we still have a long way to go. For example, in the Philippines, we have huge numbers of staff working on autonomous vehicle AI, specifically AI annotation. Tens of thousands of people are sitting in front of computers, looking at images, and identifying things like street signs, lamp posts, cars, and dogs. This is still human-driven work. While AI might learn eventually, the automation at the high end is still very basic.

A more consumer-facing example of automation would be chatbots. We all remember the chatbot craze a few years ago, but it was quite limited. Chatbots aren’t AI; they’re more like the old phone menus where you press numbers to get to a department. Chatbots were no more advanced than that, just in a different format. People got excited, but there was no real intelligence behind them.

That said, the industry is advancing rapidly. We work with a Silicon Valley startup that’s neutralizing accents and another one integrating AI into chat interfaces to analyze engagement levels, interest, and conversation structure. These are incredibly valuable tools. Even tools like Otter AI, which transcribes conversations in real-time, are making processes more efficient.

However, the reality is that the tools we use in the U.S. are also available in the Philippines. People there are growing up with the same technology and tools. The high-caliber people who know how to use these tools can help build a better business, whether they’re in the U.S., the Philippines, or elsewhere.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
09:56-10:28

Yeah, I think that’s what it is. It’s like, it’s as AI gets smarter, but so will the people. Will get supported, right? I think those things can, they’re working. They can work side by side, right? And the whole, the whole goal, is to better your processes, look at your efficiencies and see what you can do. And software has played an intricate role in that, and helping humans make better decisions and be able to do bigger things. So I also don’t think it’s gonna, you know, I mean, we’re be 50, 100 years away from, I think anything major happening, where it would take anything out. But I do think it’s going to be interesting in the fact that it can work in side by side with people. Obviously just makes things more efficient.

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
10:28-11:30

Another example of how things are always changing: We’re currently working with a multi-billion-dollar U.S. client who has an accounts issue. They’ve just changed their ERP system, and now they have thousands of outstanding invoices. This is a company that’s decades old, very sophisticated, highly successful, and high value, but this issue has cropped up and needs to be solved. It takes a good process, a solid team, and the right staff to help architect a solution and sort it out.

These kinds of issues will keep arising, and even 100 years from now, businesses will still be dealing with problems like, “Oh, my God, we’ve messed up the invoicing. We need to go back and fix that.” It’s amazing, really. Even after 2,000 years of business, we’re still dealing with the same invoicing problems.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
11:30-11:41

It’s kind of crazy, yeah, so what would be any advice you have for companies that are not sure whether to to outsource or whether they should automate? What is, what’s your, what’s your intel behind that?

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
11:42-12:41

Do both. Get your offshore team to automate and build those processes. Automation is extremely valuable, but it can also lead you down the wrong path if you’re not careful. So, definitely, do both. You want an efficient business with efficient processes, so eliminate all waste—whether people, computers, or anything else. That should always be a top priority.

However, with business growth, 50% of it is actually testing, exploring, and trying things that don’t work out. That process is inherently inefficient. We can only push efficiency so far before we risk stifling innovation. So, in short, the answer is: do both.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
12:42-13:23

Yeah, that makes total sense. They can work side by side, and I think they’re probably best when working hand in hand on things.

Cool, this is what I call the fun section. I say this on every podcast, but I’d like to think this part was fun even before we got here. But, you know, that’s up for debate. All debatable. More excited now? Yeah, I mean, I knew you were excited, but now we’re next-level excitement. This is the kind of stuff we bring on the podcast—nothing but heat.

So, if there was one place in the world you could travel to, and I’m especially curious about your opinion on this since you’re so well-traveled, where would you go if you could get there for free? And why? Oh, and just so you know, there’s no COVID involved in this hypothetical situation. You can go anywhere.

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
13:29-14:05

Bhutan is at the top of my list. It’s a small state that has previously been quite isolated, with very few foreigners allowed in. It’s now open, though that’s more complicated with COVID. I’m trying to get over there, as it’s a fantastic, mystical country full of monks who seem endlessly pleased with their lives. The people are down-to-earth, and the geography and scenery are incredible. It’s definitely a place I want to visit once we can start traveling again.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
14:05-14:23

Nice, nice. I’ve heard of it too. It’s funny, I actually had another guest who said Bhutan was the country they would want to visit as well. So, it was like, “Oh, interesting.” I mean, who knew? I’ve heard of it, but I don’t know much about it. My geography is pretty bad, but I’ll definitely have to check it out. It sounds like it’s not…

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
14:23-14:29

I’m actually googling it now, because I know very little about it, but it’s, it’s a Buddhist kingdom in the Himalayas. Do you need to know any more than that?

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
14:29-14:33

No, that sounds zen full already, like it’s…

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
14:34-14:42

And it’s a very, it’s a very small population, and they’re all, they’re almost sort of communist, but kind of highly educated, happy population.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
14:42-14:59

Happy to hear about those places, that’s awesome. So how about this—what would your superpower be if you could have one? And I know you’re not going to pick strength or something like that because I know you work out and stuff. Give me something good! You’re already partly Superman, so give me something better.

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
14:59-15:10

Well maybe, I don’t know, can I have super intelligence? and then I can build all the AI, and take over the world.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
15:10-15:42

There we go, there we go! And then you can tank it. That’s awesome. I like that—good intelligence. That’s great. So, what about any favorite books or podcasts you’ve listened to that have shaped your career, your personality, or anything you like? I mean, you talk about Tim Ferriss—he definitely changed, not single-handedly, but he certainly influenced the virtual assistant space and made people more likely to hire one, or at least enlightened them. What would be your go-to podcast or book? What do we have?

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
15:42-16:29

Yeah, you know, I read a lot of books and listen to them all. Chris Voss’s Never Split the Difference is a very good recent one. Yuval Harari, with Sapiens and Homo Deus, is fantastic. And Jordan Peterson’s 12 Rules for Life and his second one, 12 More Rules for Life, are also incredible books. Sapiens and Homo Deus are especially fascinating and touch on exactly what we’ve talked about today, like robots taking over the world and such. I listen to a huge number of podcasts—probably too many for my own good—and get incredible insights from them as well.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
16:29-17:23

Yeah, lots of information! It’s funny—this podcast is something I didn’t listen to a lot of podcasts for the longest time. The thing for me is, I love the information, but I want to write it down. Then I’d stop it, and I’d listen to 80 podcasts, but be halfway through each one because there were things I needed to write down. Finally, I said, “You know what? I’m just going to soak it all in.” If I pick up a few things here and there, that’s awesome. I don’t need to write everything down or look things up right away.

I’m very much an audible person, especially with books. When I sit down to read a book, I’m thinking about what I need to do next. I’m always in fifth or sixth gear, so it’s hard for me to just disconnect. I actually listen to Audible books in my car. I’ll drive somewhere just to listen to a book. My son and I even went to Southern California, and we listened to an Audible book there and back. That’s how I can focus—I’m just driving, and I don’t need to think about too many other things, just listening.

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
17:23-17:38

That’s great, isn’t it? When I, when I took up, you know, listening to podcasts, I thought I was super sophisticated and all that. But now I think kind of maybe, you know, my mom listens to talk back radio, and that’s been happening for 60 years, and maybe this is just kind of the old person’s talk back radio, you know.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
17:38-17:55

Yeah, absolutely. Well, Derek, thank you so much for being on the podcast. I really appreciate you being a part of this. Thank you for sharing about your company and what you guys have created and built. If anyone wants to reach out to you and get more information on the company, where can they contact you?

A man with short gray hair wearing a dark suit jacket over an open-collared white shirt, looking directly at the camera with a neutral expression. The background is plain.

Derek Gallimore

Speaker 2
17:55-18:23

Yeah, absolutely. I’m super excited about offshore staffing and outsourcing, and people should definitely give it a go. You can visit outsourceaccelerator.com to get three free quotes, explore around 750 suppliers, and also reach out to me for a chat. And when you request a quote, just mention that Shane sent you, and we’ll give you special care and attention. You can also email me directly at derek@outsourceaccelerator.com.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
18:24-18:52

And before we wrap up today’s conversation, I’d like to take a minute to talk to my listeners. Automation is a huge part of digital marketing, and if you need help leveraging it in your digital marketing campaigns, my expert team can assist you. In fact, we can handle end-to-end digital marketing campaigns, including SEO, influencer marketing, content marketing, and online PR. For more information, check out our website at shanebarker.com—that’s S, H, A, N, E, B, A, R, K, E, R.com.

And with that, it’s time to say goodbye to Derek.

A bearded man with short hair, wearing a light-colored buttoned coat, sits with his hands clasped and smiles gently against a dark background. The photo is in black and white.

Shane Barker

Speaker 1
18:52-19:12

Thanks, Derek, you’ve shared some great insights today. I’m sure my listeners now won’t worry about investing in offshore staffing. To my listeners, thanks for tuning in. If you’re interested in outsourcing effectively, get in contact with Derek. His expert team can provide you with three free quotes for your requirements. But don’t go too far—there’s a lot more I’ve got planned for you folks, so stay tuned for another exciting conversation soon!

00:10
Introduction to Derek Gallimore & Outsource Accelerator
00:53
The Relationship Between Automation & Outsourcing
03:34
How Businesses Should Approach Automation vs. Outsourcing
06:50
The Impact of Automation on Outsourcing in the Future
09:56
How AI & Humans Can Work Together in Business
10:28
Real-World Business Challenges & Why Human Workers Are Essential
11:30
Should Companies Automate or Outsource? Key Considerations
13:29
Dream Travel Destinations & Cultural Experiences
This Isn’t a Sales Funnel, It’s a Partnership

Apply For a Strategy Call With Our Team

We only accept a limited number of clients per month, apply below.
Let's get started

Apply to work with Shane's team.

Please complete this short application to help us understand your needs. Shane’s availability is limited, and we select projects based on fit, impact, and potential for success.