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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

Start Reading Foundational Guide

In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

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In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
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Discussing the Role of AI in Customer Service with Simon Yencken

In this dynamic episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, host Shane Barker and Simon Yencken explore how AI is reshaping customer service. They delve into leveraging behavioral data for personalization while addressing challenges from the decline of third-party cookies. The discussion spans trending topics including conversational AI, cybersecurity, and AI integration with IoT, all underscored by ethical considerations to ensure fairness and diversity in solutions.

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Simon Yencken

Simon Yencken is the Founder and CEO of Fanplayr, a leading provider of behavioral data solutions for eCommerce. With over 20 years in the technology sector, he has built Fanplayr into a patented segmentation engine that helps online businesses track, analyze, and intelligently target visitors—boosting engagement, conversions, and customer loyalty.

Before founding Fanplayr in 2013, Simon held senior leadership roles at Reuters, Tibco, NextSet, and Aconex, gaining deep expertise in data analytics, financial services, and cloud computing. His background in law and mathematics from Monash University has shaped his approach to building scalable, data-driven solutions.

A passionate innovator, Simon continues to develop cutting-edge technology that empowers businesses to optimize growth and performance in an increasingly digital world. Through Fanplayr’s AI-driven insights, he is redefining how companies leverage behavioral data to create personalized, high-converting customer experiences.

Episode Show Notes

In this engaging episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast,  Shane Barker sits down with Simon Yencken, co-founder and CEO of Fanplayr, to explore the role of AI in customer service. Simon explains how leveraging behavioral data can help businesses personalize user experiences on their websites,  boosting conversion rates. Through insightful discussion, they cover the power of segmentation—using real-time data to tailor product recommendations and improve customer engagement across industries such as retail, airlines, telco, and luxury fashion.

The conversation dives into how AI and machine learning not only enhance the customer journey but also compensate for the challenges posed by the decline of third-party cookies. Simon emphasizes that innovative AI solutions are accessible without requiring a large team of data scientists, making it easier for businesses to start small with product recommendations. The episode highlights emerging trends like conversational AI for customer support, AI-driven cybersecurity measures, and the promising fusion of AI with IoT. Ethical AI also takes center stage as both discuss the importance of fairness and diversity in technology design. This episode offers insights for brands looking to modernize their customer service strategies through AI.

Brands mentioned

  • Fanplayr
  • Alexia
  • Calitaria
  • Google
  • Dolce and Gabbana
  • Vodafone
  • Amazon
  • Walmart
  • Netflix
  • Apple
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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:08-00:20

Welcome to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I’m Shane Barker, your host for the show, and Simon Yencken, co‑founder and CEO of Fanplayr, is back with us to discuss user segmentation and the role that AI plays in it. Let’s get started.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:21-01:26

I couldn’t agree with you more. It was funny when I was looking at the interview and talking with you a little bit before this—you guys actually have a patent on segmentation as a service. I love that. If it doesn’t get any better than trying to figure out, hey, when people are coming to your website, you’ve got a minute or two to engage them, figure out why they’re there, and the more information you have to keep them on there or give them what they want. If 99% of those people are leaving and only 1% convert, that’s not a great rate. How can we convert 2%, 3%, 4%, 5%, or 6% of that? I love what you’ve created. I think it all comes down to data: more information lets us engage people at a quicker rate and keep them doing whatever your goal is there.

I’m intrigued by segmentation and being able to provide better messaging for people that come to your website. Can you talk about one or two brands that have been using Fanplayr and how they’re using it?

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Simon Yencken

Speaker 2
01:28-06:49

Yes, so it’s interesting. We started really focused on retail e‑commerce, and then we found other verticals were interested. We actually got our first airline account, Alexia, about six years ago. At the time, we built the company thinking the opportunity was retail e‑commerce, and here was an airline expressing strong interest in working with us. You might wonder what the connection is. If you’re building a retail site to sell fashion, how could that be similar to an airline? But data created by visitors is essentially the same. You’re tracking and understanding visitors: what’s their intention, and how can you provide a better service?

With an airline like Calitaria, the challenges are different but similar to selling women’s clothing. They have an inventory of flights they want to fill. When people look for a flight between Milan and Rome, or search from Rome to England six months out, that tells you about their intentions. Understanding those behavior differences lets you push people to add a rental car with a flight or bundle a hotel, selling more seats and filling flights with excess capacity. We were surprised but thrilled to see that behavioral data is important in every industry.

We work with both high‑end and fast‑fashion brands. A high‑end example is Dolce & Gabbana, a classic Italian fashion brand present around the world. They’re not interested in anything inconsistent with their brand image. Fast‑fashion accounts focus on selling inventory and conversions. In the luxury market, you don’t want to discount your merchandise. With a client like Dolce & Gabbana, they’re more interested in personalization: collecting emails and contact details more effectively, getting more subscribers, and if someone is looking at an outfit, suggesting sneakers, a belt, or a handbag to go with it. Those are the kinds of services Fanplayr can enable by understanding behavior and providing a more personalized experience.

Another completely different vertical is the telco space, for example Vodafone. We have many telco clients interested in getting more subscribers to a mobile phone plan, selling more mobile handsets, or selling home internet. Increasingly they might resell a service like streaming. Behavioral data helps them understand visitor interests, stop people from leaving by engaging them longer, and entice them to sign up for a mobile plan or a streaming service.

We found that in any vertical, businesses working with Fanplayr leverage behavioral data to create a better, more engaging experience for their visitors and ultimately make more revenue.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
06:50-07:19

Before you answer that question, let me pause our conversation for a minute and tell our listeners how my team can help them generate more revenue from their websites.

We can help you create conversion‑optimized landing pages and handle SEO, content marketing, affiliate marketing, influencer marketing, and email marketing.

To explore our other services, feel free to visit our website, shanebarker.com. Now let’s get back to our conversation and listen to what Simon has to say about the role of AI in improving customer experience.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
07:21-07:23

I love that. And is most of this all AI driven?

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Simon Yencken

Speaker 2
07:24-10:05

A lot of it is AI and machine learning driven and how that works. I think the essence of AI is making an experience more relevant and thus more engaging. So if you think about why you should care about machine learning, why you should care about artificial intelligence, and how it could be relevant to your business, the answer is the power of those technologies can very rapidly allow businesses to show the most relevant experience.

There’s another trend happening at the same time that makes AI much more of a must‑have: the world is moving toward the end of third‑party cookies and people are taking privacy much more seriously. Browsers are cracking down on it, and that means a lot of the old techniques for tracking people online aren’t going to work anymore. You’re not going to see the same pair of riding boots or sweaters following you around the internet anymore because those cookies are being taken away.

If that happens, much more of your traffic will seem anonymous. You might suddenly see 80 percent new visitors when in fact it’s really 40 percent, but you can’t track people anymore. In that new world, why do we care about AI? AI can help you understand why people are on your site. It doesn’t matter that Shane’s anonymous—you don’t know his name anymore—but you do know why he’s on site and how he’s spending time based on his behavior.

Matching behavior and using AI can provide a much better experience. You might see products you hadn’t thought about but really like because they go with the other product you were shopping for. I got to get that as well. That’s AI.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
10:06-10:59

I love that kind of play. I think that explanation is funny when talking about AI. I’m very familiar with AI, probably not to the level that you are, but it’s interesting when you think about the cookies being taken away. You don’t know this person came to your website twice, but the other 98% of the information is going to be very pertinent, because you’re going to know where they came from, their characteristics, their buying habits and things that happened there, which aren’t tracked through cookies. Cookies, for the most part, only tell you they’ve been here three times. But AI is going to be able to go behind the scenes and say we might not know if they came once or twice, but we know the other information, which can be extremely valuable.

So we talk about AI and customer service, because that’s what I want to touch on a bit. We’ve got the customer service side of things. Because obviously, if you know where these people are coming from, you know what their next move is. That’s the goal. How is AI helping improve customer service?

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Simon Yencken

Speaker 2
11:02-12:13

I think one thing I’d like to do is ask people to tell me about AI. They say they’ve never heard of it and ask if it’s real or just robots and scary machines. Then I ask, do you use Amazon? They say yes. Have you ever seen Amazon saying “You might like” or other suggestions for you? They’ve seen that—that’s AI. During the lockdown, have you ever sat in front of the TV and watched Netflix? Have you noticed they recommend programs you like, but if it’s your son or daughter, they recommend different programs? I’ve noticed that—guess what? That’s AI. When people start to understand that some of the iconic brands in this decade make heavy use of AI, they really start to get motivated to think about AI in their own business.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
12:13-13:19

Yeah, it’s no longer a Will Smith movie where robots are going to take over the world and we’re all going to end up there one day. It’s literally as simple as offering suggestions based on what we know you like: “if you like these movies, you might like these others.” Amazon is a great example. I’ve gone to spend fifty dollars on something and ended up buying a cover, batteries, a jacket—I don’t know what happened, but I got pulled in.

Walmart has used that for the longest time, saying “if we put the peanut butter next to the jelly, how much does that increase sales?” It all comes down to behavior: what people are used to doing. If they grab this, they usually grab that, and that’s how you increase sales.

So what advice do you have for brands that want to leverage AI to improve customer experience? Obviously I’d suggest using Fanplayr, but what other things should they look at?

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Simon Yencken

Speaker 2
13:21-15:13

One piece of advice would be to dig in and make a start and not feel you need to hire data scientists or rent coffins, because there are some pretty good solutions you can try to see how they work. Product recommendations is a great way to begin.

We partnered for our AI recommendations with Google and use Google AI services. We found that to be incredibly powerful. We benchmarked it against competitive services. People already doing recommendations moved to Fanplayr AI and said, “You’ve improved our results by 200 percent,” so it’s outstanding.

When we started, we first launched product recommendations in Japan because we had many fashion accounts there keen on adding recommendations. We got some press and announced it to the market. Then Google contacted our team in Japan and said, “What are you doing? It’s Fanplayr powered by Google AI,” and at that stage they hadn’t launched it yet. It’s a great partnership and very easy to use off the shelf. I’d say any business should add product recommendations, because that’s AI that can really improve your site experience.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
15:15-15:31

I think it’s awesome. So this is the thing I know that because I feel like I’m tapping into I’m not going to call you Mr. Ai, but you seem to have a lot of knowledge when it comes to AI. So in your experience, like, what are we looking at? Any, any top trends that are happening with AI here in 2021 anything that we need to keep an eye on?

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Simon Yencken

Speaker 2
15:32-20:17

There’s some interesting trends. The one that comes immediately to mind in the news is AI and cyber security because we keep hearing about smart hackers. They say they’re from Russia—I don’t know if that’s true—but they’re breaking into companies and government agencies. If you think about the sophistication of hacking, it’s incredible. A lot of science goes into it, and AI can help anticipate threats and vulnerabilities. It can also detect unusual actions and flag them as potentially malicious. For me, that’s a big trend.

Another trend is conversational AI in customer service. Chatbots and virtual assistants are getting better at providing good service before you need to speak to an individual. Using conversational AI to deliver better responses to service requests is already emerging and will be a major development.

A third area is the fusion between AI and IoT. Think about all the smart devices we have now—security cameras that let people in, home thermostats, and many internet‑enabled gadgets. You might say, “What is Simon talking about?” But imagine adding AI to make them smarter and more intelligent, anticipating things like home heating and lighting. Right now, with IoT devices and platforms like Apple HomeKit, you can set timers so things turn on when you get home. But imagine devices that recognize you’re on holiday and turn the heating off, or notice that you want lights on at a certain time. Or adjust heating not just by ambient temperature but by behavior patterns. That fusion of AI and IoT could be massive.

Finally, an important trend that will transcend all of AI is ethical AI principles. Some commentators, like Musk, warn that AI could be evil and machines could take over the world, which is scary. But there’s also the issue of fairness and diversity—ensuring AI treats people equally regardless of background, ethnicity, or income. I think we’ll see more pressure on AI designers to incorporate ethical principles into their technology.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
20:17-20:30

Thanks, Simon. It was a great episode, and I’m sure listeners now know the role of AI in improving user experience and the top trends to keep an eye on our conversation with Simon doesn’t end here. We’ll be back to discuss behavioral data more on the next episode, so stay tuned.

00:08
Introduction to Simon Yencken & Fanplayr
01:28
How Different Industries Leverage AI in Customer Engagement
03:50
The Role of AI in Improving Customer Experience
06:50
How AI-Powered Personalization Increases Conversions
09:56
The End of Third-Party Cookies & the Future of AI
12:13
Ethical AI & Responsible Use in Business
14:45
AI Trends in Cybersecurity & Conversational AI
15:32
Future Predictions for AI in Business & IoT
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