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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

Start Reading Foundational Guide

In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

Start Reading List Building

In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

Start Reading Tools & Software

In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

Start Reading Copywriting & Messaging

In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
Digital Marketing Expert
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How to Run a Referral Program Successfully: A Conversation with Buyapowa’s Gideon Lask

Gideon Lask, CEO of Buyapowa, returns to chat with Shane Barker about what makes referral programs truly work. From timing your message just right to avoiding common setup mistakes, Gideon explains how to turn loyal customers into brand advocates. Packed with practical tips and strategy insights, this episode is a must for marketers ready to boost referrals and drive smarter customer acquisition.

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Today's guest...
Gideon Lask

Gideon Lask is the Founder and CEO of Buyapowa, a leading referral marketing platform that helps global brands turn their customers into powerful advocates. Under Gideon's leadership, Buyapowa has expanded worldwide, providing technology that drives growth through client relationships. With a passion for harnessing the power of word-of-mouth, Gideon has transformed how businesses engage and reward their audiences.

Before establishing Buyapowa, Gideon served in senior roles across the e-commerce space, honing strategies that deliver high-impact results in competitive markets. His entrepreneurial background includes pioneering Europe’s first online community for commerce, shaping his vision for customer-centric innovation. This wealth of experience propelled him to create a platform focused on building authentic connections between brands and customers.

A recognized thought leader in referral marketing, Gideon frequently speaks at industry events and contributes insights to global publications. He remains dedicated to developing scalable, transparent solutions that help businesses unlock new avenues of growth.

Episode Show Notes

In this episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, Shane Barker welcomes back Gideon Lask, CEO and founder of Buyapowa, for a deep dive into using the right message at the right time to drive powerful referral results. Gideon breaks down the science of effective referral marketing through two major lenses: discovery and activation.

You’ll learn how top brands are identifying the perfect moments to prompt users to refer friends—and why timing is everything. Gideon also outlines the biggest mistakes companies make, including setting up a program and hoping for magic. Instead, he walks through the 3 R’s of referral success: Reward type, Rules, and Refreshing your campaign to keep it relevant.

Whether you’re launching your first referral program or optimizing an existing one, this episode covers the tactics and mindset shifts that lead to real, measurable growth. Gideon also shares how Buyapowa helps both decision-makers and internal champions implement referral programs that boost acquisition while lowering costs. Tune in for hands-on advice and actionable insights.

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  • Buyapowa
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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:05-00:34

Welcome to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I’m Shane Barker, your host for the show, and we have Buyapowa’s Gideon here once again to talk about using the right messaging at the right time. Let’s hear what he has to say about earning more referrals.

Well, it’s the right messaging at the right time, right? Because they’ve been watching it for six hours. They’re enjoying it and engaging with the content. Why not tell the world about it? This is what I’m watching, and then your friends can get in contact with you and let you know.

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Gideon Lask

Speaker 2
00:34-02:52

Absolutely, Shane, we often ask how to promote your referral program, and you need to consider two things: discovery and activation. As a user, I’m in one of these states.

Let’s talk about discovery. Discovery is when I’ve decided I want to refer. I love the Shane Barker Podcast and want to tell my mates. What do I do? I’ve been trained as a user to go to your website or app, and it’s important that the referral program is referenced in the navigation and in my account area. The third place is in the help areas, such as the frequently asked questions or the help bot. These are the three places where you need to be discoverable.

Then there’s activation. I’m not a natural referrer—I don’t wake up planning to refer. I refer friends when I’m asked. For example, the brand in the earlier example, Tozone, might think, “He’s engaged because he’s been watching our product,” and trigger a message. A retailer might note that I have just spent a lot of money for the third time this month and decide to trigger another message. If a customer has spent 20 minutes on your website, even if they’re likely to leave, they’ve engaged enough to trigger a pop-up or floating call-to-action asking them to refer a mate.

We spend a lot of time discussing discovery and activation and integrating these into your customer touchpoints. This is a glimpse into some of the science behind referral programs.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
02:52-03:38

But I think that’s a good thing to understand, right? It’s the messaging at the right time—understanding and having the data to know what they’re doing, how they’re reacting, and when is the right time to send them and what you’re going to be sending. Because that’s what you’re saying: “Hey, this person’s been on the site for 20 minutes now. They’re obviously reading some stuff, they’re engaging, and this is a great opportunity to ask for a favor or to educate them on how they can let others know about this awesome product they found.” We have to assume that if you’re spending 20 minutes, you’re engaged with the content. It’s a good situation, so I love that.

With the campaigns you guys are doing, what are some of the common mistakes you see brands make when putting together a refer-a-friend campaign? What are some of the downfalls you see?

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Gideon Lask

Speaker 2
03:39-07:17

So if there’s a common mistake, it’s the perception that you can just turn on a referral program and it will magically suck users into the top of the funnel. We view referral as a funnel because you need your existing customer base at the top—they’re going to refer their mates, and their mates are going to shop. You need to promote the program, tell people you’ve got a program, make it discoverable, and activate users when they’re most likely to refer. That is a common mistake.

The second thing is around the proposition, and here I talk a lot about the three R’s—the reward type. What is the reward you’re giving your users? What’s going to turn them on? In a luxury space—we work with lots of luxury retailers—they don’t really have to reward the referrer. If someone’s spending thousands of pounds on clothes, offering them 10% off is a little bit grubby. Instead, just say, “Gideon, you are a wonderful customer of ours. Here are five VIP invitations for your very best friends. After they shop, we’ll invite you.” All to a virtual experience together, where our stylist will attend, and this kind of stuff. Ensure that the reward type is relevant and makes sense.

The next thing when it comes to the proposition—the three R’s—is the rules. Don’t make it too complex; understand what it is you want the friend to do. Some of our clients just want lead gen, so it’s about getting the friend to come and sign up, perhaps for a sales call or to receive an email. Others want to drive a single transaction, and some actually need the friend to be a customer and maybe transact 10 times, or, if it’s a gambling company, place a very large deposit. Think carefully about the rules and what it is you want to achieve, because it’s very easy to configure the program wrongly so it drives the wrong results.

The third element is refreshing it. We always believe that your referral program should be evergreen, always on. That’s really important, but that doesn’t mean it has to get old. Once a quarter, run a booster, double the rewards, stick some gamification in there—have a leaderboard one month, or a tiered reward so the rewards get higher as you bring in more mates. We’ve got a whole gamification module, which allows you, over the course of a year, to do 12 different things every month.

So, if you follow our advice, you’re going to get it right. If you’re not working with this, just think about those things. It’s not magic—it’s a funnel that you need to promote, and the proposition needs to be relevant. I think that’s a big thing.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
07:17-08:37

I think about this, and I don’t care if it’s referral marketing, influencer marketing, or PPC. It’s PPC people who realize that it takes work to put campaigns together; there are a lot of moving pieces, and you have to put those pieces in place. Then, guess what? Good things can happen.

But I get that with influencer marketing, people will say, “I worked with one person on Instagram, and influencer marketing doesn’t work.” And it’s like, maybe let me take a look at your campaign and the content—how you put that together. It’s no different than this. This is great; you can get the software and press go, but at the end of the day, there are many things you can do to put that together for a successful campaign.

Here, I’d like to tell our listeners that you can always reach out to my team of experts to plan, execute, and optimize your influencer marketing campaigns to drive the best results. We also offer other digital marketing services. Visit shanebarker.com—that’s S, H, A, N, E, B, A, R, K, E, R.com—for more information.

And now, let’s hear from our guest, Gideon, about how Buyapowa helps businesses get referrals. How does Buyapowa—how do you guys—how does this work? If I’m a brand and I’m listening, I know you guys deal mostly with big players, but how would that work? If a brand says, “Listen, this is something I’m interested in. I haven’t leveraged my community—I know that they love my products. How do I get other people to come in and buy through their own networks?” How does that work?

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Gideon Lask

Speaker 2
08:37-11:02

Well, there are one of two scenarios. The person you’ve just spoken about might be a serious buyer who has decided to do referral, is empowered to do it, and is the decision maker. From there, we will show you the technology. It’s a consultative sale. We will give you lots of ideas about what your referral program might look like. We help you model it financially. We’ll talk with your tech guys about integration and get you very comfortable with it to the point that you then work with us. There’s then a lovely onboarding experience, and you get handed over to the client success team to further optimize you.

In the other scenario, you’re working in a large enterprise, and you’re a big fan of referral, but the rest of your organization doesn’t really understand it. They just say, “Oh, it’s just word of mouth, isn’t it? That happens anyway. We don’t need to pay technology providers.” Our job there is to help our champion sell it internally. The sales team has libraries full of case studies, business cases, and evidence to help our champion go to his boss, his boss’s boss, and the finance team to justify why they should give it a go.

And I mean, the numbers really do speak for themselves. Shane, I spoke earlier about how profitable customers are that come by this and the loyalty benefits, but you also find that the cost of acquisition is significantly less than any other marketing channel. All we need you to do is get your CFO to sign off for that first year with us, and within three months, our champion looks like a complete rock star in that organization. They’re driving a new level of acquisition that they might not have seen in a stagnating business. The customers they’re bringing in have a lower CPA than any other channel, and they’re driving these profitable behaviors. It’s delightful to have this product that drives such amazing results, and it’s very warming to help these guys see the potential of it, sell it into their organization, and then get the pats on the back and promotions they rightly deserve for having the guts and the balls to actually make it a thing.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
11:02-11:20

Thanks Gideon for joining us today to discuss how to run a good referral program efficiently. I’m sure your insights will help our listeners win more referrals for their businesses.

Now, let me tell you that our conversation with Gideon, the founder and CEO of Buyapowa, doesn’t end here. We’ll be back to discuss more about Buyapowa as a referral marketing platform in the next episode. So stay tuned.

00:05
Introduction to Gideon Lask & Referral Marketing
00:34
The Importance of Timing & Messaging in Referral Programs
03:39
Common Mistakes Businesses Make in Referral Marketing
07:17
The Complexity of Marketing & Why Strategy Matters
08:37
How Buyapowa Helps Businesses Generate Referrals
11:50
The ROI of Referral Marketing & Lowering Customer Acquisition Costs
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