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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

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In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

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In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
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B2B Prospecting 101 with Sopro’s Ryan Welmans

Join Shane Barker and Sopro CEO Ryan Welmans as they break down the essentials of B2B prospecting. From email outreach to cold calling, Ryan shares how high-value sales justify smarter, more personalized tactics. They also chat about the return of events, crypto trends, and the difference between B2B and B2C strategies—all with Ryan’s signature wit and energy.

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Today's guest...
Ryan Welmans

Ryan Welmans is the Co-Founder and CEO of Sopro, the UK’s largest dedicated B2B outreach provider, powering sales pipelines for over 500 businesses and driving hundreds of millions in B2B deal flow annually. Under his leadership, Sopro has grown to a £20M+ annual turnover with 300+ employees, earning multiple high-profile awards along the way.

Beyond Sopro, Ryan is a serial entrepreneur and investor, having founded and supported high-growth UK tech firms through the Sopro incubator. His expertise in go-to-market technology and modern growth marketing has helped numerous startups scale and succeed in competitive markets.

With a track record in B2B sales, partnerships, and digital marketing, Ryan previously served as Director of Global Partnerships at PayWizard Group PLC. He continues to push the boundaries of outreach innovation, helping businesses connect, engage, and grow through data-driven sales strategies.

Episode Show Notes

In this episode, Shane sits down once again with Ryan Welmans, Co-Founder and CEO of Sopro, for a deep dive into the world of B2B prospecting. They unpack how B2B outreach differs from B2C marketing, highlighting regulatory factors, cost-per-sale dynamics, and why human-driven sales strategies matter more in the B2B space. Ryan shares real-world insights into which channels still work (spoiler: cold calling is making a comeback), why email continues to outperform, and how Sopro is rethinking the entire prospecting process through intelligent data layering. You’ll also hear about high-ROI tactics, the true cost of events, and how to balance your prospecting methods based on deal value. Toward the end, the conversation shifts to Ryan’s take on crypto, NFTs, and his dream of escaping to Bora Bora—without his “girlfriend” (his laptop).

Whether you’re building a sales funnel or just curious about modern prospecting tools, this episode is packed with actionable advice and a few good laughs.

Brands mentioned

  • Sopro
  • LinkedIn
  • Twitter
  • Ethereum
  • Bitcoin
  • CryptoPunks
  • EtherRocks
  • Yahoo
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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:05-00:56

Welcome to the Marketing Growth Podcast. I’m your host, Shane Barker, and we have Ryan Welmans, the co-founder and CEO of Sopro, back with us to talk about B2B prospecting for our listeners who are joining us for the first time. Here’s a quick recap on previous episodes: we talked about Ryan’s company, Sopro, and how he’s built several businesses during his entrepreneurial journey.

Today, we’re going to discuss how B2B businesses can identify and engage new prospects effectively. I also want to touch on the difference between B2B prospecting and B2C prospecting—something you and I know well, though our listeners might not. You’ve built your $14 million gem over the last seven years primarily from B2B, so you’re pretty seasoned in this area. How is B2B prospecting different from B2C prospecting in your opinion?

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Ryan Welmans

Speaker 2
00:57-05:53

They are totally different from a customer’s perspective. There are probably two main reasons driving those differences. One is the regulatory landscape—there’s a big difference in data compliance and consent requirements for storage and processing of personal data. In most countries, it’s very easy to store business data and to contact businesses about a product or service without needing consent. That makes direct outreach a practical marketing option in B2B, which is not the case in B2C. Then there’s the marketing communications regulation—for example, in the UK and many European countries there are strict rules governing when you can send an email and when you can’t. So, you have this compliance landscape that completely divides the advertising methods used in B2B versus B2C. But even setting that aside, product value plays a bigger part. The vast majority of B2B sales tend to be for high-value products and services. Even if I were selling a low-value item, say a photocopier, it’s typically wrapped up in an office supply contract that includes additional products, making it part of a high-value sale. By contrast, consumer marketing, like for clothing or everyday consumer goods—you see ads on Facebook for, say, a $100 mouse. You can’t pay someone a high marketing cost to sell that product; the human-to-human sales relationship just isn’t there. In B2B, larger products can tolerate a higher cost per sale.

To throw some numbers in: let’s say Sopro generates sales meetings at between $35 and $50 per meeting, and businesses typically convert one in three of those meetings. That gives you a marketing cost of up to $150 per meeting—fine if you’re selling a B2B solution worth $100,000, but if your product is under a couple of thousand dollars, that cost starts eating significantly into your margin. Essentially, product price dictates the method of sale. That’s why low-value items often use Facebook ads with a click-through, buy-it-on-the-website approach—a low-cost sales process. I have a funny story: I received a phone call this week from someone trying to sell bespoke suits—a tailor based in London calling from a call center. I could hear other people making calls in the background with beeps. The service offered was a tailored suit. From what I know of telesales, the cost per unit at each step of the sales process is high. Typically, telesales generate appointments costing between £20 and £100, and they might convert one in three of those calls into a customer. If you’re buying a suit, its price would have to include a marketing cost somewhere between £600 and £1,200 before even considering the production cost. I don’t know how expensive your suits are, Shane, but that’s certainly not a price I can afford.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
05:54-05:55

Seems like a premium.

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Ryan Welmans

Speaker 2
05:55-06:06

That’s a key difference between B2B and B2C, and as you know, we work exclusively in B2B.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
06:07-06:31

Makes total sense, especially when you explain it that way. Obviously, in B2B you’re aiming for higher-price items because you’re willing to absorb the higher lead-generation cost. So, what channels would you recommend for B2B prospecting? I mean, it’s probably different by channel, but is there any place you’d say, “Hey, these are the channels we use”? I mean, obviously email comes to mind.

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Ryan Welmans

Speaker 2
06:31-11:48

Yeah, email is a no-brainer. We use a full stack of both above-the-line and below-the-line strategies. Everyone has a social media strategy—they’re posting on LinkedIn, Twitter, etc.—but when it comes to delivering results, email is key. Are you going to rely on LinkedIn? I don’t know what your inbox looks like, but I’d say steer away from over-automating LinkedIn connection requests followed by a quick sales pitch. That can do more harm than good. I think LinkedIn is better suited for developing relationships rather than for immediate selling. And then there’s cold calling—which we’re breathing new life into. Most cold calling these days is about volume—100 calls a day, quick 60-second research, and so on—but that’s generally not very effective. The last time I was sold to over the phone was, believe it or not, in September of last year. The gentleman who called was incredibly informed about who I was, what our business did, our competitors, things I’d written, awards we’d won, press releases—all casually woven into the conversation. That transformed the call from a sales pitch into something entirely different, and we ended up writing a huge check. That experience led us to restructure the Sopro platform to include a comprehensive company profile view.

Now, every prospect interaction is tracked—emails delivered, campaign clicks, which pages they viewed, even if they check out our pricing shortly after a call. It provides 60 seconds’ worth of research at a glance. This approach has really reinvigorated our telephone-based outreach. Ultimately, though, many prefer to outsource their cold calling to a call center if they aren’t comfortable with it. But there’s definitely mileage in B2B cold calling. It all comes down to the lifetime value of the client and the overall cost structure.

And touching on events—since COVID, events have been almost off the radar for about 18 months. We had a busy schedule before: trade shows, conferences, exhibitions. Recently, we’ve had two events in the last four weeks, targeting larger businesses and opportunities. However, events are expensive—hotels, drinks, food, covering the bar, etc. From our recent events, the total spend came in at about $1,000 per qualified lead, which is significantly higher than our digital channels. Digital channels cost us roughly 5 to 10% of that per lead over the last 18 months. So, while events do generate clients, they’re expensive and depend heavily on your product or service value.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
11:48-12:51

Yeah, yeah, that’s what it comes down to. And hey, what is the lifetime value of the client, the customer, and all that fun stuff—how many people can you pull? I’ve done a lot of speaking events, and we didn’t really see the ROI we wanted from many of them. I mean, I would still get some good results; sometimes we’d have a booth, sometimes we wouldn’t—it really depends on the event, your sales team, and what you’re pitching. There are obviously a lot of moving pieces there.

Well, cool, Ryan, this has been a great little interview. Now, this is the part we call the fun section—I always say this every time—because I feel like we’re really getting into it. This wasn’t my “ties on the exotic island fund” yet; I feel like we were just sneaking up there. If we had another hour, we’d definitely be having a beer together, even though we’re in different parts of the world right now.

Rumor has it—I heard it from a little birdie—that if you weren’t running Sopro, you’d probably be trading crypto, or that you’re actually trading crypto right now, because I know you touched on that a little earlier in the interview. So give us a little insight: what attracts you to this stuff we call cryptocurrency?

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Ryan Welmans

Speaker 2
12:54-16:26

There are so many facets to crypto that interest me. Trading crypto is a bit different from trading Forex or stocks. For example, the best way to trade crypto might be to simply buy some and then hold it for 10 years rather than actively trading it throughout the day. That’s not really my cup of tea—I don’t have the time for it. Our technology has evolved organically, and you have this mysterious creator—or group—behind Bitcoin, and then all the blockchain protocols that follow, each doing their own innovative thing.

What Bitcoin gives the world is a store of value that might outperform traditional fiat currencies over time. I think anyone who’s concerned about their savings losing value should consider adding some Bitcoin to their portfolio, along with other smart platforms like Ethereum that are doing amazing things with smart contracts.

And then there’s the Wild West of NFTs—non-fungible tokens. NFTs create scarcity out of something that might otherwise be mass-produced. For example, a CryptoPunk might sell for half a million dollars even though it’s just a 200-pixel image. It’s all about holding value in scarcity. The evolution of this technology is happening at a breakneck pace—faster than anything we’ve seen before. The new financial world is being built right in front of us.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
16:27-17:48

It’s crazy. I have a good friend who did NFTs and sold millions within under a minute. It’s wild—the idea of staying current on all of this is a challenge. I had a conversation with an artist at a coffee shop about NFTs; by the time we spoke, the market had already shifted significantly. It’s ever-changing and incredible. I’m trying to learn as much as I can about it—it’s a fascinating space. Now, I have another question for you outside of crypto and NFTs: If I were to give you $100,000 to travel the world, where would you go first and why? I know you’ve been all over the place—from India to various fun spots—so where’s that one spot, or spots, you’d head to?

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Ryan Welmans

Speaker 2
17:49-19:08

I think that’s probably the easiest question you’ve asked me. Right now, given the current level of my business, my involvement in crypto, and the number of incubator businesses we’re running, my mental bandwidth is maxed out. I need a holiday—a beach holiday with no internet, not a city break. My wife and I did an exercise years ago, and if I had to choose a place from space where everything else falls away, we picked an island called Borabora in French Polynesia. That’s where I’d spend the $100,000—at a beautiful location, a million miles away from it all, without our laptops or any distractions.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
19:09-20:00

That’s important. It’s funny—I always tell a joke, but it’s a serious story: my wife would often ask, “How are you going to bring your girlfriend on our trip?” And I’d say, “My girlfriend is my laptop.” (Laughs) But seriously, Ryan, this has been an awesome conversation. Your energy is incredible, and I know even though our listeners don’t hear everything perfectly, they can feel that energy—it’s rejuvenating. If anyone wants to contact you or learn more about Sopro, how can they get in touch?

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Ryan Welmans

Speaker 2
20:00-21:02

First of all, thank you for having me—it’s been a pleasure. If you’d like to learn more about Sopro, go to sopro.io. Also, my marketing team will kill me if I don’t mention this: use the code “pod01” at sopro.io/offer to get a discount. If you’re considering outbound B2B prospecting and think we might help, we’d love to start that conversation. We even publish all our client stats live on the website so you can see how Sopro performs before you take the plunge. And, of course, you can contact me directly—my details are on the website.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
21:02-21:18

Thanks, Ryan, for joining us. It’s been a pleasure to have you. If you’re listening to the podcast and you like what you hear, please subscribe and leave a review telling us what you like about the show. Thank you for listening to the Marketing Growth Podcast. Next week, we’ll bring you tips and advice from another marketing leader, so stay tuned and keep getting better at business and marketing.

00:05
Introduction to Ryan Welmans & B2B Prospecting
00:57
Differences Between B2B & B2C Prospecting
06:07
Best Channels for B2B Prospecting
09:29
The Role of Automation & Personalization in Sales Outreach
11:48
The Effectiveness of Trade Shows & In-Person Networking
16:27
Exploring the Future of Prospecting & New Technologies
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