
Online Entrepreneurship: What Gennaro Cuofano learnt from his Failures and Success Online
with Shane Barker
In this episode, digital entrepreneur Gennaro Cuofano unveils his transformation from a small-town kid in southern Italy to a pioneering online strategist. He shares his journey of leaving behind traditional finance and law careers to embrace digital marketing, content creation, and SEO-driven growth. Gennaro candidly discusses how his failures paved the way for success, urging entrepreneurs to experiment and build authentic personal brands in a dynamic, ever-changing online landscape.


Gennaro Cuofano is the Founder of FourWeekMBA, a global platform that offers in-depth analyses of business models, strategic frameworks, and emerging market trends. His passion for entrepreneurial education stems from an extensive background in corporate finance and business strategy, equipping startup founders and executives with the insights needed to navigate fast-changing markets.
As a writer and content strategist, Gennaro has developed resources that distill complex ideas into actionable insights, helping thousands of readers worldwide build scalable organizations. In addition to his work at FourWeekMBA, he has served in various business development and analytics roles, enhancing growth strategies and operational efficiency at both startups and established companies.
Driven by a commitment to clarity, Gennaro regularly publishes articles, guides, and case studies aimed at equipping forward-thinking leaders with the tools they need to thrive. His data-driven, user-centric approach reflects a belief in sustainable growth and continuous innovation, rooted in ethical business practices.
Episode Show Notes
In this episode of Shane Barker’s Marketing Growth Podcast, guest Gennaro Cuofano dives into his unconventional journey in digital entrepreneurship. He shares how growing up in southern Italy and transitioning to life in the US shaped his mindset toward business and content creation. Gennaro recounts his early experiences in finance and law school, which ultimately led him to embrace digital marketing and launch his blog, Four Hour MBA. He discusses the critical lessons learned from his failures and successes, particularly the importance of testing different content strategies, leveraging SEO for audience insights, and building a strong personal brand. Gennaro also emphasizes that true entrepreneurship requires relentless experimentation and the willingness to pivot when traditional models fail—especially in dynamic markets like India. Throughout the conversation, he reflects on the need for long-term vision coupled with tactical short-term experiments, and the role of trust in digital transactions. The episode is packed with candid insights into the process of breaking free from conventional career paths to build a unique, independent digital business.
Brands mentioned
- Four Hour MBA
- Groupon India
- Hackernoon

Welcome to the podcast. I am Shane Barker, your host of Shane Barker’s Marketing Madness podcast. Welcome to another episode of Shane Barker’s Marketing Madness podcast. In this episode, we’re going to talk about how to successfully start a digital business in the era of tech platforms. My guest, Gennaro Cuofano, is the founder of Four Hour MBA. He is a business developer and strategist with extensive experience in corporate finance. His blog is a leading source of insights on business model strategy and business model innovation. Before 2015, he worked as a financial analyst for a real estate investment company in San Francisco. He’s also a contributor at Hackernoon.com, the startup and entrepreneur media.

Well, cool once again, man, thanks for coming on the Shane Barker’s Marketing Madness podcast. We’re really excited about having you today, as I was just talking about before the interview started—just some of the cool stuff. You have such a crazy background; we’re not going to be able to go over everything in an hour. But I think you’re one of those crazy entrepreneurs, so we’re going to walk through your timeline of being an attorney, your whole process, and all the things you’ve done. But anyway, let’s start with a little foundation. Where did you grow up?

Gennaro Cuofano
First of all, thank you for having me. It’s really a pleasure to share a bit of my story, because we’re going to talk about the blog and the research I do on business modeling and business strategy, but I usually don’t get the chance to tell my own story. So I’m glad there’s an opportunity. I come from a very small town in Southern Italy—maybe around 5,000 people. It’s in the Campania region, where the Amalfi Coast and Naples are, and we have many beautiful things there. In terms of professional opportunities, I moved to Rome when I was 19, so I spent my entire teenage life in Southern Italy. My name actually tells the story for people from Italy—my name is typical of Southern Italy. There are hardly any people outside that region with my name, so if you’re Italian, you know where I’m coming from.

That’s awesome. You’ve got a very unique name tied to a certain region.

Gennaro Cuofano
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. It’s the Campania region. It’s Naples. Pretty much all the Naples area, you know, it’s one of the most common names. But outside, there is not much, unless you go like to New York, where we have many Italian American people were probably you’re going to find this name, otherwise they are. Actually was fun because a few, few weeks ago, I was interviewing the vice president of blockchain at IBM, and the funny thing is, now he’s a an American, Italian, but he changed his name like names like Jerry, but in reality, his real name is like general, so it’s my same name. This was the first time that found like someone American who has my, my same name, so it was interesting.

Nice, nice, nice—good old blockchain, boy, I’d say that’s something else. Yeah, good conversation there. So how big was your family growing up?

Gennaro Cuofano
Pretty much, I grew up in these small towns from the time I was about 18. There are many interesting things about where I come from—lots of beautiful places—but I’m very passionate about history. One interesting thing is, before the Romans, there were the Etruscans, who laid the foundation for the Roman Empire. One of their most important settlements was in my region, and it was also an important settlement during Roman times. Since I love history, that’s really fascinating to me.
Then, of course, on a daily basis, there are a lot of interesting people. If you go to Southern Italy, we’re usually quite different from Northern Italy. It depends on how you look at it, but we’re generally seen as friendlier, more open, and so on. Sometimes stereotypes get it right. It’s a really interesting place.

It’s funny. I’m in Northern California, and I hear a lot that people in Southern California aren’t as friendly as they are in Northern California. Now, of course, all my listeners in Southern California are probably going to unsubscribe after this, right? But it’s something I’ve always heard. Up here, even during COVID, I say hi to everybody. If I’m walking down the street and you make eye contact, I’m saying hi, whether you’re uncomfortable or not, because I’m just a very friendly person. I think if you smile at someone, it can change their day. I enjoy that kind of thing. I’m definitely on the friendlier side—maybe a bit too friendly—because I probably freak people out. Like, hey, what’s going on? They’re like, I don’t know you. Do I know you? And I’m like, You don’t have to know me for me to smile and say hi, right? It’s just a nice gesture, trying to start your day off right.
So tell me this: Is there any interesting fact about where you grew up? Something most people wouldn’t know about, maybe regarding your family or something else? We’ve had all kinds of stories—one past guest said they were a stripper illegally in Canada at age 16. Now, I’m not saying you were a stripper, but you get what I’m saying. Is there anything interesting, any fun fact about you or your family—something people don’t usually know? It doesn’t have to be crazy, but if it is, we’re open to that too.

Gennaro Cuofano
Well, honestly, I lived a pretty regular life—nothing crazy about me or my family. Probably the most interesting thing is that I never expected to work in the digital marketing space. For instance, when I lived in San Diego, I had no idea about this world. I really got into it after I left California. It’s funny because you’d think you’d get familiar with digital marketing in California, but for me it happened afterward. So maybe the most interesting thing is that, professionally, I’ve led a lot of different lives. But no, I can’t say I was a stripper or went to jail or anything like that.

Yeah, there’s still time. There’s still time to go to jail—there’s always opportunity out there. You can say, “Yeah, I mean, you can add it to your resume.” Why not? Or maybe not, but either way, you know, there’s still time. So you’d obviously stop at San Diego. I saw you went to university in San Diego, and that’s cool because my son will be going down there to do commercial real estate. You were in that industry, so that’s a neat tie-in. Where do you live now? Are you back in Italy?

Gennaro Cuofano
I’m back in Italy. I first moved to Rome when I was 18, then I moved to the US when I was about 24, and then I moved back to Italy—Rome—around 28 or 29. I love this place. I’m pretty passionate about history; there’s history everywhere here. I think it’s a beautiful place, especially if you’re running a digital business, because you can work with people from all over the world. It’s great—many people really want to come here. If I say, “I might do an event—would you come?” they’ll say, “Yes, of course. I’d definitely come.”

So you can add me to that list if you ever have an event over there. This is kind of funny—I recently compiled a big list of speaking events that I’m going to pitch myself to, right? And my wife said, “Hey, I want you to send me that list.” I asked, “Why?” and she said, “Because I want to highlight the places I want you to pitch so I can go with you.” So now we have a list of about a thousand events, and she’s highlighting all the exotic locations. At one point, she said, “Why didn’t I highlight Indonesia?” and I said, “I guess you forgot.” So now it’s highlighted. Basically, I have a honey-do list of events outside the US—nothing against the US, but everything is exotic locations. Who knows, maybe I’ll end up speaking somewhere near you if you folks have an event there. We’ll see—I’ll be pitching aggressively over the next few weeks.
So, I want to talk about your background. It’s really colorful because you’ve done a lot, and in a short period. People say the same thing about me sometimes—I’ll do an interview, and they’ll ask, “What have you done?” and I’ll start listing stuff, and inevitably, I forget something major, like “Oh yeah, I teach at UCLA!” People will ask, “How do you forget that?” But once you’re doing so many things, it happens.
Let’s go back to your original background—you got a law degree, right? I want to hear how that happened and how it evolved. It seems like you thought you were going to be a lawyer, and then you ended up in San Diego, and then you shifted again. Let’s talk about that journey, because I think it’s going to be fun.

Gennaro Cuofano
I’ll try to keep this relatively short, though there are a lot of pieces to it. Before I started law school, I actually wanted to become a doctor, mostly because my mother was a doctor. In Italy, there’s still a strong emphasis on professions like being a lawyer or a doctor. But I couldn’t get into med school, so I ended up in law. Even then, I already knew I didn’t want to be a lawyer—I just liked the mindset you get from law, constantly thinking about objections, which helps in sales and other fields. But the profession itself wasn’t my passion.
At the same time, I got fascinated by finance and investing. I liked the idea of being independent, so I started investing a bit on my own, studying the stock market and economics. Right after law school, I pivoted into finance. I got an internship in Washington, D.C., came back to Italy, then did an apprenticeship and enrolled in an MBA program in Rome. I finished that MBA in San Diego, where I landed a role with a commercial real estate company, working in analysis and finance.
While I was growing that career, it still didn’t feel right. I wanted freedom, but ended up working more than ever for someone else. I realized I needed another change, so I quit my job in the US and returned to Italy, where I got into digital marketing. That’s when the Four-Week MBA concept took shape. The idea first came to me back in business school, when I realized many academic models and theories didn’t fully apply to the real world. I thought, “What if I could build the business school I wish I had?” So I started documenting my learning journey, building Four-Week MBA initially for myself.
Around 2015 and 2016, getting a digital business off the ground was tougher than I expected. After a year, I made a little money but not enough to go full-time. I realized I was missing the marketing and sales piece. Coming from a law and finance background, I used to dismiss salespeople, and I had to change that mindset. If you can’t bring in customers, you can’t survive as a business.
That was when I joined WordLift, an AI-for-SEO startup, in a business development role. I learned how crucial it is to understand a client’s business model, because that’s how you sell on a deeper level. I got passionate about business model innovation and strategy, and I poured all that into the Four-Week MBA blog, focusing on real-life application.
Early on, I tried third-party platforms (Udemy, Amazon) to distribute my content. I got good numbers—lots of students and books sold—but my brand got diluted there. By 2017 and early 2018, I shifted focus to my own site. A key moment was when I wrote a post on DuckDuckGo that went viral—100,000 hits in a couple of days. That convinced me to double down on my blog.
From then on, I focused heavily on strategy and business model innovation. It’s basically my real-life “PhD.” Instead of going back to school, I do my own research and document everything on the Four-Week MBA. It’s a work in progress, but that’s the essence of how I went from law school to finance, then to digital marketing, and ended up in the entrepreneurial space I’m in now.

So, yeah, I think it’s interesting because when you talk about how you made your transition—like, what you did—it’s obviously your big thing is freedom, right? You’re like, “Hey, I don’t want to do the nine-to-five deal. I want to work whatever hours I want,” which really fits well into the digital life. I mean, I’m here in my office in Sacramento, but I can literally go anywhere, do a podcast, and still work. I really enjoy that freedom. My wife is a nurse, and she works about seven days on, give or take, and then she has seven days off. So for those seven days, I can go anywhere—I can go to the beach, wherever—and I can still produce content as long as I have internet. It’s kind of scary to think what would happen if the internet went down, but hey, that’s just one of those things.
What’s curious is how you turned this into a business, right? You were getting an MBA, things were going well, but you were also looking at it going, “Okay, there’s a lot more to this.” One of the issues we run into in the educational system—because I’ve taught in academia—is that a lot of instructors just haven’t done this stuff. There are a lot of changes happening all the time. So when you have a blog and you’re naturally curious—like, “I don’t understand this, so I’m going to dive into it, read 20 books, become the person who knows sales”—it makes sense. These days there are so many great courses and ways to accelerate your learning. Fifteen or twenty years ago on the internet, I’m not sure how people did it. Like, how did you even start a business back then? It’s confusing to think about, because now there are phenomenal resources.
So the Four-Week MBA, for you, is like your test area, right? You talk about the models and the things you’ve figured out and learned, and that’s real-world stuff. There’s huge value in that because it’s not someone who’s been teaching for 30 years but hasn’t updated their approach since 1979. A ton has happened in the last 30 years. I love that. I’m a fan of the site and the courses you have. But talk to us a little bit about that journey—starting in, say, 2016 or 2017, when you began writing content, and then obviously creating courses. Can you go into that? I really want people to understand the value you bring through the blog and your courses.

Gennaro Cuofano
Yeah, absolutely. I think for me there was an important realization after a few years in the digital marketing space. When I started back in 2015, I didn’t know anything about it. Coming from a different industry, I thought, “Okay, if I want to start a digital business, what do I do?” My initial, most logical conclusion—which I realized after a few years wasn’t correct—was: “I’ll just develop content, then push it to a third-party platform like Amazon or Udemy.” So I used those platforms as the main distributors of my content. But I wasn’t really curating my own distribution, and it took me two years to understand that wasn’t the right approach.
You can call my blog a startup or a company I’m trying to bootstrap. I talk to many startups, and often they’ll say, “I’m not going to use that channel—like SEO—because right now I need to get customers quickly. I’m going to start doing paid acquisition,” and so on. That’s fast, but if you don’t build your own brand identity—which means building a real customer base—you can’t grow sustainably.
So, looking back at 2015 to around 2017, I’d call those years a huge failure for me in digital marketing. It was almost three years of one failure after another. I still fail a lot—I’m not saying everything works perfectly now. But at the time, the biggest issues were: (1) I wasn’t relying on my own distribution, and (2) my pricing was messed up because I didn’t control it. Ultimately, I needed more control over my own business.
In the second phase, around 2018, I said, “Okay, this is the topic I want to pursue, and I want my blog to have high authority in this niche. How do I do that?” I decided to treat it like I was studying for a PhD—document everything I’m doing, put out all this content on the blog, and keep it free. I pushed as much as possible because I was starting from zero, and I knew if I tried to compete with big brands while also heavily monetizing, it wouldn’t work early on.
That’s not the only strategy, of course. In marketing, you might be more effective writing for big publications like Forbes or Business Insider to quickly gain authority. But I’d tried that before, and I decided, “Instead of pitching those publications, I’ll publish original research on my own site so I’m the primary source.”
From an SEO standpoint, if you look at major players like Investopedia or Business Insider, they’re massive compared to me. I asked myself, “How can I provide value that they can’t?” My answer: go really deep on research and content development. Because they’re so large, they can’t sink that much time into individual articles or else they’d go bankrupt. I can afford to spend weeks on a single piece of content if I need to. It’s not scalable, but it makes me unique, and it’s something I’m passionate about.
That’s basically the realization that got me here. So, starting around 2018, I’ve been pushing and pushing; that’s how the blog began gaining traction. Right now, I’m trying to share more of my story so people understand how I arrived at this point, while also doubling down on the same approach. It’s not the most scalable, and I don’t have unlimited time, but I’m essentially working two jobs to provide as much value as I can. That’s the process in a nutshell.

That’s awesome. I think the cool part is that you’re producing very original content—because it’s your own. Nobody else can claim it. People can go look things up, but I believe your site has reached a level of authority where Google recognizes that everything you put out is truly your research, your information, right? That’s really valuable, because it’s not like someone wrote an article and someone else just copied it. Once you get enough eyeballs on it, people know that when you publish something, it’s going to be original.
I know this because I’m also a content producer. I have competitors who are also friends, and they do the same thing: they’ll put out a big, original piece of content, and people naturally backlink to it, because it’s genuinely good. Andy Crestodina, for example, does a yearly survey—he might interview 5,000, 1,000, or 500 marketers—and ends up getting 200 or 500 backlinks, because people want that new data. They wait for it every year.
It all comes down to data and experimentation, because not everything that works for one business works for another. The fact that you’re blunt about those first two years being kind of a failure is great. Some people think failing is terrible, but really, you’re just figuring out what doesn’t work. You cross those off the list until you find something that does. That’s how we get to where we are, without giving up halfway through.
So let’s talk about your journey. You’ve got the Four-Week MBA, and you also have a full-time job. How does that work? Did you need to supplement your income, or did you just have an extra two hours a day and think, “Why sleep if I can have a job and run a blog at the same time?” Give us the backstory on that.

Gennaro Cuofano
Again, I went back to the job market to develop the skills I was missing, especially in sales and marketing. From around 2016 or 2017 up to 2018, I was mostly focused on business development at this startup, and I kind of left my blog on the side. I worked on it, but since I didn’t see it taking off, I felt it was probably a waste of time—I was just using it to sell the educational materials I had.
Then I realized that if I didn’t start pushing harder on this, I couldn’t really call it a true experiment. One thing that happens a lot in the startup world is that we say we “experiment” and “test a lot of things,” and sure, there are cheap tests you can run to see if they work, then double down on what does. But there are also things you want to succeed no matter what, and you can’t really call those “experiments”—they’re things you’re determined to do, even if they fail multiple times. You just keep pushing until they work, and I think that’s what entrepreneurship is really about.
It’s important to have models and frameworks so you can test things cheaply and quickly at a tactical level, while also setting boundaries and saying, “Even if this doesn’t work the first or second or third time, I’m still going to push.” Very few projects take off right away. If we look at exceptions like Google, yeah, it gained traction quickly as a tool, but even Google took a few years to figure out a scalable, viable business model.
So even cases that look like overnight successes still involve a lot of failures in the background. It can be painful—I wish failure were less painful, but it usually isn’t. That’s why you need a long-term vision and also a short-term framework for experimentation. You can move fast tactically, but you keep your big-picture vision steady. If you don’t truly want to build a certain part of your business, just leave it alone, because if you’re not committed, it’s not going to work.

No, and there’s no… I mean, that’s the thing: you always have to put in the work. That’s what I think people don’t realize. Take the Googles of the world or whoever’s successful—they were failures too, right? I mean, we all started somewhere. And, once again, out of the ten things you do, nine are going to fail, if not all ten. You’ve got to understand that you’re either built for that or you’re not, because it’s not easy. I always tell people, if you want to be an entrepreneur, just know it’s going to be hard. If it weren’t, everybody would do it, and we’d all just make millions and retire after two years, right? The idea is you have to go through that failure.
So I have a question for you, given your background—you’ve done a lot of SEO stuff. When you create content for your website, do you do it just to experiment with something you want to check out, or do you actually plan around certain keywords, thinking, “I want to do an experiment with these keywords”? Maybe at first you were just doing it to do it, then you learned SEO and thought, “Okay, I need to create content with more intent.” How do you currently approach that content creation on your website now?

Gennaro Cuofano
Right, there’s a strategy I like to use that really suits me well. I try to adopt an approach where I look at two opposite things. On one side, I use SEO a lot for understanding where the interest is—so I adapt content based on volume and demand. But on the other side, if I feel something is very interesting, it doesn’t matter if there’s search volume or not; I’ll publish it because I believe it’s valuable. Maybe right now there’s no volume at all, but there are topics I know I need to cover because it feels right. I might not see a return for one or two years—maybe even three—but I’ll still push out that content, so when the market eventually picks up on those topics, I’m already positioned for it.
For example, when I wrote about DuckDuckGo back in 2016 or 2017, the company had existed since around 2009, but it wasn’t that popular yet—at least not in mainstream circles. I was just excited about it and covered it without any clear strategy, and it gained some traction initially. Later, when people became more interested in privacy, it picked up even more.
So I basically use two approaches: one, yes, rely on SEO as an incredible source of data for what to produce, because it can give you an ROI. But two, don’t rely on data exclusively. If you think a topic might blow up in a few years, cover it even if there’s currently no demand. If you go too heavily on SEO alone, you risk becoming a commodity in terms of content. That’s how I like to balance those two things when developing new material.

And it also helps because you’ve got a good community. If you’re putting out something that maybe isn’t big on the SEO side of things, at least you’ve got a community who’ll look at it and talk about it. You’ve reached a point where, in the beginning, it’s hard to say, “I want to publish this piece of content just because,” since you still have to pay the bills, right? You have to figure out how to put out great, original content while also thinking about SEO—like, out of 10 articles in a month, maybe five need to bring in some revenue. How do you generate that?
Some of it’s a long-term play—maybe it’ll take off in the next year or two, or you’re trying to disrupt something or introduce a new term, hoping it’ll be controversial or get people talking. But you never know what’ll go viral. Whenever a client says, “I want to go viral,” I’m like, “I can’t even talk to you about that,” because there’s no formula for it. Luck, timing, and consistency all matter. I’ve heard people say, “I talked to a company that promised me a formula for going viral,” and I’m just like, “Please don’t pay for that.” It really is hard work, staying consistent, and pushing forward; you never know what might take off.
Anyway, that was interesting. I know that article you wrote about Google got great traction. Do you primarily use Google, or do you consider other search engines when you’re looking at content and putting it all together?

Gennaro Cuofano
I honestly love Google. I think it’s fascinating to break down everything they do because it’s one of the most interesting companies out there. Of course, when I covered Google’s business model, some people said, “This will never apply to my company.” But the point isn’t whether it applies to your specific company; it’s about understanding the logic of a platform that controls your distribution. Right now, Google and Amazon are gatekeepers connecting you to your customers. If you don’t grasp their underlying business logic, it’s tough to build a better small business.
That’s the main reason I’m obsessed with huge companies like Google and Amazon—but from a certain perspective. I’m not trying to tell you how to be like Jeff Bezos or Steve Jobs. I’m showing you the business logic behind these companies so you can “surf the wave” and gain traction. Otherwise, you’ll struggle just like I did when I started my digital business.
I use Google a lot, partly because it lets me see how the company’s algorithms and updates evolve over time. The more you observe the search results, the more you understand how they’re changing. On the other hand, I also use DuckDuckGo to step out of the filter bubble, especially if I’m digging deeper into research. Of course, Google is still far more advanced in terms of search results. I think people use DuckDuckGo mainly for privacy, but they also like identifying with something different from what most people use. It’s a bit of a statement—“We’re not the status quo; we’re not mainstream.”
Some people, especially technical folks like engineers, say they use DuckDuckGo purely for privacy. Yes, that’s part of it, but I also think they enjoy feeling different from the masses. We all want to feel unique. Another thing is that DuckDuckGo can sometimes produce results that vary a lot from Google, so you find information you might otherwise miss. If I’m doing certain kinds of research, I’ll use DuckDuckGo. Otherwise, my default is usually Google because it helps me study the platform itself—seeing how it’s shifting and experimenting in real time.
For example, a few weeks ago, Google tested “deduplication,” where they removed the standard organic result if you were already in the featured snippet (the answer box at the top of results). I noticed it happening live and mentioned it to some people at Google, pointing out that on desktop, it didn’t make sense—there was a snippet that looked like a knowledge panel on the left side of the page, and it just took away traffic. People on desktop aren’t the same as on mobile, yet Google treated them the same. They heard that feedback from the community and ended up rolling back that feature snippet variation. It was interesting to see it play out in real time and realize you could contribute to the conversation when Google’s experiments didn’t quite work.

Yeah, that’s awesome—it’s nice that you get real-world feedback, and you can chip in with Google to say, “Hey, I like this,” or “I don’t like this.” I also think it’s interesting you brought up Google, Amazon, etc. I have clients who ask me things like, “If I want to write a book, should I put it on Amazon?” It’s the go-to place, right? So the initial reaction is, “Of course, because you can get reviews and traction.” But then if your book is 20 dollars, you might only see a couple dollars per sale in return. You realize you’re not really in control of pricing—Amazon might decide to charge 1 dollar, 2 dollars, 9 dollars, or 100 dollars, and you’re not in control of any of that.
You’ve done this yourself—you tried Udemy, Amazon, all that. You built a community and realized you were getting pennies on the dollar for your work. So what would you recommend for someone who wants to create a course or something similar? Do you start with Amazon or Udemy to get traction and spread the word, then build a website and host your own courses? Or do you jump straight into your own platform? What’s your advice, given your experience?

Gennaro Cuofano
Yeah, absolutely. I’m a real-case scenario for that. The main issue on Amazon is that they also take a good fraction of your sales, and it’s not like you automatically get visibility. You have to understand something like “Amazon SEO”—there are many people working on that. If you really want better placement and visibility, you need to study how Amazon’s algorithm works.
So my point is, either Amazon isn’t your main distribution channel, or you have the ability to negotiate your terms with them—your pricing, your distribution, and so on. That might be possible if, for example, you’re really influential. Then you can say, “Amazon, I’ll give you my book, but only if you let me set my own pricing and allow certain types of distribution.” That’s how big publishers often do it, because they have the negotiating power.
Otherwise, if you rely on Amazon as your main channel, you’d better understand that either you publish a lot of material—so you’re aligning with Amazon’s mission of showing variety and convenience—or you become really good at Amazon SEO. Or you accept that you might not get much out of it. I’m not a fan of those scenarios.
My suggestion is either go with an established publisher—though that might involve a lengthy pitch process—or go back and build your personal brand if you’re trying to do a personal-brand-based business. Maybe you use influencer marketing, or like I did, you invest in creating content and become an authority in your space. It takes time, but it strengthens your negotiating position so you can eventually go to Amazon and say, “I’ll publish this book with you, but only under these conditions.” Unless you have that power, you’re just another person on a third-party platform whose content could be commoditized.
Yes, there are exceptions: you can become a bestseller on Amazon, and some people have done that. But I’d say that’s more of an exception than the rule—probably less than 0.1% of people who try it.

So it’s funny—I have a course coming out soon called HowToBeAnInfluencer.com, and the premise is exactly what we’re talking about here. Influencers come to me all the time because I do a lot of speaking events about influencer stuff—I even have a personal branding “How to Be an Influencer” course at UCLA. The funny part is that every influencer says, “Oh my god, the algorithm on Instagram is this, or the algorithm here, or the algorithm there.” And I’m like, “Listen, the problem is this: it’s no different from Google or Amazon. You don’t own those websites. What they care about is going to be different from what you care about. So if you’re worried about the algorithm today on Instagram, it’s only going to get worse. They’re not looking out for you; they’re looking out for themselves.”
What we train in the course is literally how to build your own brand, which means building your own website—just like you talked about. Originally, you were on a third-party platform, and they could shut down at any time or change their rules. You have zero control. So I tell people to have Instagram and these other platforms, but drive the traffic to your own site. If Instagram goes down, it sucks, but at least you’re not losing everything. I know influencers whose entire business is literally just their Instagram profile—their media kit, everything is on there. If Instagram changes a policy or your engagement drops by 50%, they’ll tell you, “Hey, pay us to boost it back up.” And that’s what happens when you don’t control your distribution.
I’m not saying don’t use these platforms, but understand their motives, and use them to your advantage. Collect emails. Have your own site where people actually buy stuff. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket because you never know when the algorithm changes—on Amazon, for example—and suddenly you drop in rankings. If you don’t know Amazon SEO is even a thing, then guess what? You’re stuck until you hire someone or figure out how to get back up there.
That’s why I love the way you examine these kinds of business models. With your finance and legal background, you really look at the “big fish,” see what they’re doing, and explain it. Most people don’t know how to break that down, but they can read your blog and at least understand the basic logic. They don’t have to master it themselves—they can see your graphics and get a clear idea of what they’re up against or what they’re working with.
Anyway, I think that’s awesome. Like I said, I’ve been a fan of the blog for a long time, and I’ve watched you rise over the past few years. Good things are happening for you. Now we’re almost at the end of this conversation. That’s what happens when you start having fun—an hour flies by. I’m excited we got to hear your backstory, because I was really curious about all the different things you’ve done in such a short amount of time. We didn’t even get into talking about your courses or the other platforms you’ve tried. But if someone wants to reach out to you, or learn more about your courses, give us some info on where to find you—social channels, your website, all that good stuff.

Gennaro Cuofano
Well, really, the best place is just to go on the blog—FourWeekMBA.com. That’s where you’ll find all the research I’ve done over the years. And of course, you can subscribe to the newsletter, because I try to push out a lot of content. I’m very prolific, so people may complain that I send out too many newsletters, but the problem is I have a lot of stuff that I want to share. I can’t stop myself from doing that. So I’ll push it out or try to pace myself so I’m more strategic in some ways. But then I also want to share all the things I’m starting and doing. So really, before anything else, just go on the blog and you can find all the information you need.

Awesome, awesome. That sounds good. Well, you guys—once again—we’ll also have that in the show notes. And once again, in regards to the podcast, we’ve talked about this before, but if you guys are listening to the podcast and you like what you hear, make sure you subscribe and tell your friends about it.
And also, as I’ve touched on, we have the How to Be an Influencer course at HowToBeanInfluencer.com, which should be coming out in the next few weeks if everything comes together as planned. I’m super excited about that. Go check it out. You can either go to my website or HowToBeanInfluencer.com.
So Gennaro, hey man, thank you so much for being on the podcast today. This was super awesome. I know it’s a little later where you are on the other side of the world, but once again, thank you so much for being on the podcast. And when we go live, we’ll let you know.

Gennaro Cuofano
Thank you very much. I appreciate it. It was fun. Thank you.

Thank you.