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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

Start Reading Foundational Guide

In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

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In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
Digital Marketing Expert
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Chris Dickey Reveals What Most Brands Don’t Know About Search Intent

Dive into a revealing chat with Chris Dickey and Shane Barker about how understanding search intent can elevate your marketing results. Chris shares how to map keywords to the right content types, measure tangible ROI with click tracking, and optimize for either informational or transactional queries. Listen in and learn why aligning content strategy with real user intent is the key to long-term brand growth and better conversions.

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Chris Dickey

Chris Dickey is the Founder and CEO of Visably, a search engine visibility (SEV) platform that helps brands measure and amplify their presence across all segments of the search results. By integrating best practices from PR, SEO, and brand marketing, Chris empowers companies to claim more real estate on the SERP and capture high-intent consumers.

Prior to launching Visably, Chris spent over a decade as the founder of Purple Orange Brand Communications, an award-winning agency recognized for innovative campaign strategies and authentic brand storytelling. During that time, he helped numerous outdoor and lifestyle brands thrive, delivering measurable results through smart, integrated marketing. As a frequent contributor to industry publications, Chris shares actionable insights on aligning diverse marketing channels for maximum impact.

His forward-thinking approach underscores the importance of cohesive brand visibility in an evolving digital landscape. Chris continues to champion pioneering solutions that equip companies with a competitive edge in search-driven ecosystems.

Episode Show Notes

In this episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, host Shane Barker sits down with Chris Dickey, founder of Visably, to shed light on a critical yet often misunderstood aspect of search marketing—search intent. Chris describes how Google differentiates between informational and transactional queries, and why it’s crucial for brands to create the right type of content for each. He offers practical strategies for tailoring keyword lists and clarifying your goals before you develop content or eCommerce pages.

Chris also delves into measuring ROI by tracking click attribution and leveraging affiliate links. These tactics can help you gauge which platforms and keywords are bringing qualified traffic, ultimately revealing potential blind spots in your funnel. Throughout the conversation, Chris explains how Visably is working to unify PR, SEO, and paid efforts into one holistic strategy, highlighting new features that can help brands identify the best use of their marketing budgets. Whether you’re a PR professional, digital marketer, or online store owner, you’ll find valuable insights on aligning your content, partnerships, and media outreach with the real intent behind every search. Tune in to discover how search intent can transform brand visibility and fuel sustainable growth.

Brands mentioned
Visably
Google
Amazon
REI
Lowe’s
Home Depot
Peak Design
PurpleOrange PR
LinkedIn

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:10-01:17

Welcome to another episode of the Marketing Growth podcast. I’m your host, Shane Barker, and I’ve been talking to Chris Dickey from Visably about search engine visibility over the last two episodes. Let’s pick up the conversation right where we left off and dig more into how Visably works and what’s next.

We’re going to switch gears a bit—I want to talk about advanced SERP intent. We touched on intent earlier, but I think it’s important. Keywords are one thing, but high-intent keywords—and understanding the intent behind the search—is another. So as marketers, what do they need to know about SERP intent to better understand reach and targeting? You gave an example earlier—can you give us another one? Because some people chase the wrong keywords. Like, say you go after “attorney”—well, do you need a DUI attorney, a bankruptcy attorney, or something else? Let’s talk about that.

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
01:17-04:59

Yeah. Intent is super important. If you’re building a content strategy and not factoring in intent, you could be creating the wrong content for what Google wants to show in the SERP. It won’t rank, even if you’ve got domain authority and backlinks. If your content is transactional and Google wants to show informational content, you won’t be there.

To break it down further, Google and other search engines have advanced natural language processing that determines what kind of content a user wants to see. They’ll populate videos, images, ecommerce results, whatever. But there are three main types of intent: click to buy, click to learn, and click to go. In SEO terms, that’s transactional, informational, and navigational.

Informational is when someone wants to learn—they’re asking questions, reading reviews, not ready to buy. Transactional is when someone’s ready to purchase. Google will elevate places to buy, not reviews. And click to go is like when you already know what you want but you don’t know the URL—like if someone searches “animal shelter Sacramento.” You’re not shopping around—you just want to get to that site.

At Visably, we’ve built a more advanced way to determine intent. We’ve indexed millions of domains as ecommerce, brand-owned, PR, and so on. And we actually even split that down into brand-owned transactional and brand-owned informational. Like, we can drill in on, say, a brand-owned blog, for instance, and identify that it’s an informational source. And then say, the place on the same website where you buy stuff—that’s transactional. So we look at all this stuff, and then we make a judgment based on the aggregate tags we’ve associated with all these websites.

And intent is going to be a spectrum. It’s not going to be perfect—like, oh, everything’s informational or everything’s transactional—it’s a spectrum. And we just provide that spectrum. It’s like, where does the SERP lean—informational or transactional?

We don’t assume many of our clients are “click-to-go” people. That’s just not a search that, as a marketer, you’d be interested in, because that customer’s already spoken for. They already know where they want to go. You want to get in front of the customers who are still open-minded about their purchase decision.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
05:00-05:36

Yeah, that makes total sense. And when we talk about SERP intent, the two types we’re really focusing on are informational and transactional, right? So when you’re producing content for a client, how do you determine that? Do you just look at the SERP, see what’s showing up on page one or two, and then decide whether to go with informational or transactional content based on what Google’s already elevating?

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
05:37-07:01

I think it’s just important to know which department is in charge of which keywords, right? So, in our case as an agency—before we had Visably built—we would have to manually audit all these search results to identify which keywords had a lot of opportunity for PR and which ones didn’t. And we’d just have to bucket it that way.

And it’s not like transactional stuff—there’s a whole team that works on that. There’s a sales team, an e-commerce team, and even entire agencies now that just manage your relationship with Amazon or whoever. And there’s a whole strategy around how you merchandise yourself within these platforms, where there are literally hundreds of thousands—or millions—of competing products. So there’s a whole SEO game just within Amazon.

But I think it’s worth it for these e-commerce managers to start thinking about incoming traffic—not just traffic that already exists on Amazon, but the traffic that Amazon is winning from search. And from the few conversations I’ve had with e-commerce agencies, nobody is really looking at that. And it could be really game-changing for that industry if they started targeting the way someone comes into the site—the landing page and that first touchpoint as they come into Amazon, or REI, or Lowe’s, or Home Depot.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
07:01-07:37

I love that. It really does come back to intent. Where did they come in, what are they looking for, and can you give it to them? That’s the whole point of Google. So what advice do you have for anyone struggling to connect their search engine strategy to ROI? Because that’s the tough part—tying all this to revenue. Everyone wants the full 360: the user came in here, did this, bought that. How do you show that ROI?

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
07:37-09:28

I think there’s a couple of different ways we can do it. Unfortunately, there’s not a perfect full-funnel strategy out there. We’re working on it, but we haven’t developed it yet.

A couple things—number one, I think click attribution is a big one. Just understanding how many people clicked on content or links that include your content or talk about your brand. That’s a no-BS way of measuring audience and reach.

Number two, once you understand the click attribution, you can determine equivalent ad value for those clicks. There’s a CPC for every single keyword out there, right? So if we understand how many people clicked on your stuff, we can say, “Okay, if you were going to buy these clicks, here’s what you would’ve paid for them.” It’s not like print advertising, which is kind of the Wild West when it comes to figuring out what you’re paying for.

And then lastly, especially if it’s not your own website showing up—say it’s a third-party site—affiliate links are really big right now and really important within PR. If you’re going to win a review, you might as well tell them where to buy it. And if you’re going to do that, set them up with a link that’s tracking that click-through rate. Then you can really start measuring full-funnel ROI. If you’re improving your merchandising on a specific e-commerce partner, you can measure that. If it ends up being your own website, even better. You can definitely measure that.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
09:28-10:06

Yeah, I know, it’s funny—I used to do affiliate stuff back in the day. And we’re seeing a big push on that again recently. I think it’s because a lot of these sites are saying, “Hey, if I’m going to index your product, and I actually like it, I try it on and it’s awesome, then why not throw me a few bucks?”

And then, on your side, you can figure out how much traffic they’re actually bringing in, how many products they’re helping sell. Affiliates have always been strong, but I think they’re only going to get stronger. It’s one of the best ways to get full attribution—you know exactly where the customer came from, what they clicked, what they bought. You get that little commission check, and you see those purchases rolling in—all from some keyword that ranks number one.

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
10:07-10:38

That affiliate thing was how we started recognizing the power of these hits showing up in search. Our clients would come back to us and say, “These websites are just crushing it—they’re sending us so many customers. What’s going on?”

And sure enough, we’d reverse engineer what’s going on, and they’re ranking for a top search term. That was the initial kind of dinner bell—like, “Oh man, something’s going off here.” And then we realized it was all search.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
10:39-10:44

Yeah, that’s beautiful. And that happens—you love it when clients are going, “Hey, things are going apeshit crazy,” and you’re like, “Yeah!”

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
10:45-10:51

Why are these two websites millions of customers? Millions is a little overstatement, but thousands of customers. Yeah.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
10:51-11:06

You can’t be mad at that. So, I know Visably—obviously, we’ve got the free version, we’ve got the premium version, the Pro version that’s coming here in quarter four. What else does Visably hold? What’s the future of it? I know we kind of talked about that. Is there anything crazy? I mean, obviously, if you can share.

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
11:06-13:34

There’s all sorts of interesting things you can do once you have this data, and we’re looking deeper into all the domains within the search results. I think a couple things I’d like to do—without giving away too many secrets—we’re going to start getting a lot of data on various keywords and which websites are showing up, how often, and across what searches.

So from a media planning perspective, the tool we’re trying to build would let you type in a new category you’re planning to launch in—say, again, Peak Design and bags—and Visably would infer a bunch of related keywords. Then we’d look through the history of our crawling and populate the top 20 publishers that show up most frequently for those keywords. It would help you plan media buys, PR outreach, all that—really building your list based on search performance.

Another thing, a little further down the line but very much on our radar, is: how do we better advise a brand manager on how to spend and allocate budget to maximize their footprint in search?

A big question on my mind is, how do you measure or balance bidding strategy against organic visibility? If you have strong organic visibility in the SERP, do you still want to be bidding on that keyword? Someone’s already likely to find you. Or should you reallocate toward keywords where your organic visibility is weaker?

Same goes for evaluating opportunities—what’s better suited for SEO, what’s better suited for PR. So, getting granular, getting smart with it, and ideally doing it all automatically. Giving you keyword strategy, keyword by keyword, and telling you who’s responsible for what—how to align teams to build really dominant strategies in search.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
13:35-14:17

Yeah, I love it. That wasn’t even the secret sauce, but it already sounds like secret sauce. I’m looking forward to it. I think it’s awesome you guys are putting that together. I can’t wait to see what you’re doing. Like I said, I’m signing up for the free version, and I’m definitely going to check out the pro.

So we’re at the end, but I’ve got some fun questions I always ask everybody. I’m especially excited to ask you because I know you’ve done a lot of traveling. If there was one place in the world you could travel—COVID free—where would it be and what would you do? I mean, you live in Jacksonville, so you’re already in the mecca of outdoorsy stuff. I can’t imagine many places better.

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
14:17-14:41

A place that’s high on my radar—and man, there are so many amazing places, I love to travel—but it’s Chile and Argentina, Patagonia. I’m a climber, I love that stuff. Some of it’s probably over my head, but there are plenty of mountains I could get up. That’s a place I’d love to spend some time.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
14:41-15:07

Yeah, I hear you. My list— every time I go to one place, I talk to people, and I add ten more. So now it’s like 5,000 places. I’ll definitely die before I hit all of them.

So, what would be your superpower? If you could have any kind— my wife always says she wants to control the elements. That’s her thing. She’s a little geeky, I can say that. My wife’s geeky, and I’ll put that out there. But what would yours be?

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
15:08-15:28

Oh man, I’m gonna be a little mundane on this one and say I’d love to be a better musician. I know that’s not really a superpower, but people who do that—amazing musicians—I’m so jealous. Getting in front of a crowd and being able to rock would be a lot of fun.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
15:28-15:46

I’m with you on that. I think that would be a blast. I used to—this is many moons ago—I used to own a record label, which, like I said, is Shane, wow. We’re like Shane 3.0. I know, who knew? It’s a long story, but I’ve always been super envious of artists. It’s like, you get out there and it’s just…

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
15:46-15:50

And singer-songwriters in particular—I just love it.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
15:50-16:08

Yeah, if you can move crowds and get people to react and be emotional about stuff, it’s like, wow, that’s true power. It can be motivational. I love that.

Some people are like, “I want to be Superman, I want to do this, I want to do that.” You just want to be an artist. “I just want to play the guitar, damn it. Just want to make people smile.” It’s a simple goal.

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
16:08-16:14

Totally. I can play the guitar—not very well. I don’t sing. If I could tie it all together, that’d be awesome.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
16:14-16:35

It’d just be like downloading it into your brain. “Hey, now I’m playing the guitar!” And she’s like, “Oh, this is awesome. That’s so cool you’re now playing guitar!”

So let’s do this—last thing: how can everybody get in contact with you? I mean, obviously we’ve got Visably.com, but if anybody wanted to reach out directly—either for your agency or to talk about the software—what do we have?

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
16:36-17:05

The agency is purpleorangepr.com. We’re a boutique agency—we mostly specialize in active lifestyle consumer brands.

Visably, V-I-S-A-B-L-Y, is a play on the word “visibility.” That’s just info@visably.com, and that’ll find its way to me—or close to me. And I’m on LinkedIn, Chris Dickey, D-I-C-K-E-Y.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
17:06-18:14

Awesome, sounds good. And hey, you guys, if you heard that he gets free product—don’t be emailing him for free product. That’s me. I just want you to know. If you try to email him asking for a free backpack or something, just know I’m already talking about the backpacks, okay?

Also, something funny about this podcast—you mentioned animal shelters in Sacramento. I literally did that search last week. That exact search. We’re looking for another dog. We have two, and one passed away a few months ago, so we were like, “Now’s the time.”

When you said that, I thought, “Somebody’s been looking at my computer.” That was wild. I didn’t want to interrupt at the time, but I had to tell you. I was like, “How did he pull that example out of left field?” It was trippy.

Anyway, Chris—this was awesome. Really excited about Visably. I’m gonna go check it out, and we’ll definitely stay in touch. Thanks for everything, man.

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Chris Dickey

Speaker 2
18:14-18:22

Hey, thanks for the opportunity. Super excited for it to come out. Let me know when it drops, and we’ll push it through our channels too.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
18:22-18:42

We definitely will. I’ll be back next week with another interesting guest on the Marketing Growth Podcast. Stay tuned for more fun and insightful conversations.

If you want to grow your online visibility or build a strong marketing plan, reach out to me at ShaneBarker.com. I’ll help you come up with a custom strategy based on your business needs.

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