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I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard someone dismiss email marketing as “old-school” or “not worth it.” Email marketing is the underdog in digital marketing that just never dies. You can’t beat an inbox for connecting directly with your audience.

If you’re ready to find out why this method still reigns supreme, keep reading.

In this lesson, I explore the power and importance of email marketing as a reliable tool in a crowded digital landscape. We start by discussing why email marketing remains a cornerstone of digital strategies, highlighting its ability to drive conversions more effectively than social media. I also cover how to set up a successful email marketing strategy, from building a targeted list to defining clear goals and KPIs. By choosing the right tools and crafting engaging emails, you can ensure long-term success.

Start Reading Foundational Guide

In this lesson, we’ll cover the essential steps to building a successful email list from scratch. I’ll guide you through the importance of email marketing as a direct and controllable tool for business growth, and explore effective strategies for rapidly growing your list. You’ll learn the differences between single and double opt-in methods, how to select the right email service provider, and create compelling lead magnets. Additionally, we’ll discuss segmentation, automation, and best practices to nurture your list and maximize conversions.

Start Reading List Building

In this lesson, you’ll discover how email marketing tools can simplify and enhance your marketing efforts. I’ll guide you through key features to look for, including automation, segmentation, personalization, and analytics. You’ll learn how to choose the right platform based on your business needs and explore popular tools like Mailchimp and ConvertKit. Additionally, I’ll share tips for scaling your campaigns and avoiding common mistakes, helping you create effective email marketing strategies that engage and convert.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the essential components of writing better emails that engage and drive action. We’ll explore why email marketing remains a powerful tool, despite new trends in digital marketing, and how to craft emails that feel personal and authentic. You will learn how to write compelling subject lines, strong openings, and effective CTAs, while avoiding common pitfalls. I’ll also share strategies for growing and segmenting your email list to maximize relevance and engagement.

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In this lesson, I will guide you through the fundamentals of A/B testing in email marketing. You’ll learn how to optimize key elements of your emails, such as subject lines, CTAs, and design, to improve open rates, click-throughs, and conversions. I’ll walk you through setting up, analyzing, and iterating on tests, with a focus on avoiding common pitfalls. By the end, you’ll be equipped to make data-driven decisions to enhance your email campaigns and boost performance.

Start Reading A/B Testing & Optimization

In this lesson, we will explore how to effectively leverage email marketing as a reliable revenue engine. You will learn how to set clear objectives, build and segment your email list, and craft compelling emails that drive engagement. We’ll dive into measuring success through key metrics, discuss common pitfalls, and examine the balance between personalization and privacy. By the end, you’ll be equipped with actionable strategies to create, execute, and optimize your email marketing campaigns.

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Shane Barker
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Motivational Speaker, Erik Qualman’s Digital Success Story

Erik Qualman shares how he evolved from an automotive intern into a global speaker, best-selling author, and digital trailblazer. Hosting him, Shane Barker uncovers how Erik’s early frustrations and tech-savvy approach led to game-changing books and videos. From pivoting strategies during COVID-19 to embracing “edutainment” for brand messaging, Erik’s story proves that blending creativity, empathy, and innovation can lead to worldwide influence in today’s digital sphere.

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Today's guest...
Erik Qualman

Erik Qualman is a globally recognized digital leadership speaker, #1 bestselling author, and futurist who has collaborated with organizations ranging from NASA to Disney. Named a Top 50 Digital Influencer by Forbes, Erik coined the term “Socialnomics” to describe how social media transforms business, marketing, and personal connections.

With a background in digital innovation and data-driven insight, Erik has delivered keynotes in over 55 countries, inspiring companies to embrace the possibilities of social platforms and emerging tech. His books—Socialnomics, What Happens in Vegas Stays on YouTube, and The Focus Project—offer hands-on frameworks for leveraging technology while cultivating a balanced life.

Combining storytelling with actionable advice, Erik is a sought-after mentor for executives, entrepreneurs, and students. Through Equalman Studios, he develops training programs that equip teams to lead with agility, empathy, and foresight. He continues to pioneer digital transformation, empowering individuals and organizations to thrive in the modern world with confidence.

Episode Show Notes

In this episode of The Marketing Growth Podcast, host Shane Barker speaks with Erik Qualman—best-selling author, motivational speaker, and the man behind the viral “Social Media Revolution” video series. Known for his trademark green glasses, Erik has a remarkable history working with iconic automotive brands as a “digital nerd,” then transitioning to become a global keynote speaker who has performed in over 55 countries.

During their conversation, Erik shares how early experiences—like building Cadillac’s inaugural website—shaped his passion for digital innovation. He also talks about creating edutainment-based solutions through his company, Equalman, which develops disruptive videos and digital leadership resources for businesses. Erik delves into his latest release, The Focus Project, explaining why focus and adaptability are vital in these unpredictable times.

Listeners will hear insights into how Erik and his team help brands pivot online, leverage animation, and provide value in ever-changing markets—especially during the COVID-19 era. He underscores the importance of empathy, creativity, and stepping outside comfort zones. Whether you’re a marketer or an aspiring thought leader, Erik’s story of turning frustration into bestsellers and building a global speaking platform offers plenty of inspiration.

Books mentioned

  • The Focus Project by Erik Qualman

  • Socialnomics by Erik Qualman

Brands mentioned
Ahrefs
Cadillac
Pontiac
Yahoo
Travelzoo
Disney
TikTok
SBA
SBDC

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
00:10-01:32

Welcome to the Marketing Growth podcast. This podcast episode is sponsored by Ahrefs. I’m your host, Shane Barker, and my guest today is Erik Qualman, the five-time best-selling writer and motivational speaker. Erik is also the creator of Social Media Revolution—the most-watched social video globally. His company, Equalman, produces digital leadership materials and disruptive video stories for businesses.

In today’s episode, we’re going to talk about his digital marketing journey and learn more about how he comes up with his groundbreaking books, videos, and resources.

Before we talk to Erik, I’m curious about how my listeners drive traffic to their content and pages. Truth be told, I find it to be a huge challenge. With over 1.5 million pieces of content being produced every minute, it’s kind of hard to catch people’s attention. That’s where an all-in-one keyword tool like Ahrefs can help. It identifies low-competitive keywords for you to target, helping you edge into the SERPs. Ahrefs digs into your keywords and backlinks that are driving traffic to your competitors. All you have to do is replicate their strategy and watch your web traffic multiply.

That’s cool, right? But it gets better. Turns out Ahrefs is offering a seven-day trial for only $7—yes, you heard that right, only $7! Plus, they’ve recently opened up two of their tools, Site Audit and Site Explorer, for free use. The offer is only for verified websites, so head over to ahrefs.com to sign up. They also have a great blog and a YouTube channel with step-by-step SEO tutorials. Don’t forget to check them out.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
01:38-02:15

All right, you guys, we got Erik Qualman here today. I’m super excited about this. Most of you on the podcast already know who he is, but if you don’t, we’re gonna spend a few minutes getting to know him. If you haven’t seen him on stage or read his books, you’re gonna have to—especially during COVID times, you’ve got plenty of time. You need to go out and buy his books. We’ll talk about that—the books he’s had out, including his latest, The Focus Project. Thank you so much for sending me a copy, Erik. I just started reading it this morning and realized I need to focus in my life. It’s like, I’m gonna have to read your whole book in one shot just to show people I can focus. That’s the goal.

So, Erik, where did you grow up? Give us a little background here.

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
02:15-02:45

So I grew up in Detroit—outside of Detroit, actually—and loved it. I fell into the automotive business, like everyone does up there, and then into the digital side of things. As an intern, I helped program Cadillac.com’s first website. Wow, space forever. That led me to books like Socialnomics and, not my sixth book, The Focus Project. It’s been an awesome ride. We’re just trying to entertain, educate, and empower people to live their best lives. That’s where I grew up—outside of Detroit.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
02:46-02:48

That’s awesome. And so how big of a family did you guys have?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
02:49-02:54

I’ve got two brothers, and then I’ve got my both my parents, so five total. It’s great.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
02:54-03:10

Nice, nice, nice. And so give us an interesting fact. I know you grew up in Detroit, so it was like everybody was in the car industry—I think it was illegal not to be in the car industry if you grew up in Detroit. Got any interesting facts about your family, anything nobody’s heard, or maybe some interesting, crazy stuff?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
03:10-03:26

Yeah, Madonna’s from my hometown, Rochester, Michigan, so there we go. Also, let’s see—I walked on the basketball team and got a full-ride scholarship, which was interesting. And part of the reason I made the team is that I got my teeth knocked out. That was the whole reason I think I made the team and got a scholarship.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
03:26-03:54

So, wow, you sacrificed your teeth for education. Yeah, sacrifice them. My son’s in college right now—I wish he would do that, because it would save me some money. I’m not saying I don’t want him to have his teeth, but I’m just saying that would be awesome if he would. I guess then I’d have to pay for his teeth. Maybe we’ll just do the college thing; we’ll just pay for the college. There we go. So, I mean, who needs the lower teeth, right? People really care about the upper teeth, don’t they? And so you went to college—you went to Michigan, right?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
03:55-04:00

I went to Michigan State University. I went to the basketball school, Michigan’s the football school.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
04:00-04:01

Yeah, you were Spartans, right?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
04:02-04:02

Yeah, go green!

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
04:02-04:04

Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
04:04-04:08

Coach Izzo’s still the coach there, Hall of Famer, great guy, awesome. Love that guy.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
04:08-04:12

That’s crazy, and I know you got there on a scholarship for basketball. How tall are you?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
04:13-04:20

On a sunny day, I’m 6’7, but I normally like to be a little more understated—so 6’6.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
04:20-04:24

Yeah. So 6’6—and the green glasses don’t give you weight. You’re currently in Austin, right? Do you live in Austin?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
04:25-04:26

I live in Austin, Texas. Yes, sir.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
04:26-04:36

So you can’t avoid it—you’re 6’6, 6’7 on a good day, probably 6’9 if you have heels on, which I’m not saying you wear heels. But my point isn’t with the green glasses; there’s just no getting away.

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
04:36-04:58

Yeah, yeah. It teaches me to walk in discomfort every day, which is kind of ironic because that’s not why we did it, but suddenly, that’s what we talk about on stage and in the books. If you want to grow, you have to embrace that discomfort. You mentioned your son’s a physical specimen working out—he’s not getting stronger by being comfortable. He’s got to push the limits, right? That’s how he gets stronger, that’s how you break down muscle and grow it.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
04:58-05:29

That’s exactly it. Yeah, I tell him, if you do the same exercise for two years, you’re not going to see any progress. You gotta shock the muscles. And it’s the same thing with the brain, right? I think that’s what you guys are pitching—if you’re comfortable, you’re not growing. You gotta be uncomfortable.

So let’s talk about this. You talked a little bit about working with Cadillac, and I think you worked with Pontiac as well—there were a number of car dealerships or big car manufacturers. Is that how you got into the digital space? So, right out of college, did you just jump into the digital side by working with automotive companies?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
05:29-06:06

Yeah, I took an internship. The world was shifting and they needed websites, so they handed it to that young guy—like, he probably understood some of this technology that we didn’t yet—and I fell into it backwards. I loved it. Digital used to be like a tiny niche, just the nerds in the corner. I was in the right place at the right time when we wrote the first book, Socialnomics, because then it just exploded. Now, I’ve been in the digital space 26 years. It’s been fun and a wild ride, but I’m still face-to-face first, and that’s why I tell them I’m really more Flintstones and Jetsons. Even though I love the Jetsons side of things, it’s always that balance.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
06:06-06:30

Yeah, for sure. So, tell us a little bit about when you started Equalman, rhysy.com. Talk to me about that—when did you start it? Honestly, I looked at your bio and what you’ve done, and I could probably interview you for 20 to 30 hours and it still wouldn’t be enough time. I kind of think we should talk about what you haven’t done too, because there’s a couple of things there. But let’s focus on the website. When did you guys start it, and what was the reason for starting it?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
06:30-07:56

Yeah, no. Good question. So my career—I worked at Yahoo back when it was the Facebook of the day, I was Head of Marketing at Travel Buddy Public, which was a great ride. I’ve worked for big and small companies along the way. Then, when I was Head of Marketing at Travel Zoo, I wrote a book called Socialnomics, mainly out of frustration because I was sitting there going, “Hey, you guys, the world’s shifting. Can you not see it? Social media isn’t just for teenagers—it’s so much bigger than that. It’s fundamentally shifting how we communicate.” Out of frustration, I was speaking at search engine conferences, and people thought I was a crazy guy talking about teenage stuff. Then my buddy came up to me and said, “Hey, I know everybody thinks you’re crazy, but here’s the name of my publisher. I’ll set up a meeting—you need to write a book.” And I was like, “Great, I’ve got a million rejection letters from my fiction book, but I’ll give a business book a try.” That meeting went well—they loved the name Socialnomics. And away we went.

The reason I tell you that is because you asked about the website. We have a website, Socialnomics.com, which is basically my blog. It started as a blog and then grew into this huge thing—kind of like Ariana Huffington, not to that scale, but definitely a mob. It’s still alive today and makes revenue. Then there’s Equalman.com, which is where people go if they want to book me to speak or get some of our free educational materials. That’s where we deliver the edutainment, as we call it.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
07:57-08:37

Edutainment—education and entertainment combined, huh? And as of today, you’ve spoken in 55 countries and reached 50 million people. I mean, that’s huge. My speaking is nowhere near that—I think I’ve only been to about four countries. So I’m really on your heels; be very careful. But tell me, how has the pandemic changed things for you in terms of speaking events and all that you do?

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
08:38-09:52

Yeah, it’s been a learning experience. It’s great because we always talk about walking and discovering—about digital leadership—in our books and digital media. But with live events, everything went to zero overnight. No industry could ever anticipate that, especially coming off record years like we had the three years prior—record Januarys, record Februaries—but we’re going to come out of it better. So we’re already innovating. Almost all events have gone virtual, while some have just postponed to next year, hoping for some kind of normalcy to return.

Fortunately, since I owned an animation studio, we were better poised than most. I decided to dust off some of our other initiatives that we hadn’t really focused on, and bring those back to life with more love than before. It made sense—we were focusing on the things that worked during that period, and now that the world has shifted almost 100%, we’ve been able to refocus on other areas. It’s been challenging like everyone else, but also fun, because we’re starting to innovate.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
09:52-11:01

Seeing that, it’s funny. We had a similar situation where, all of a sudden, speaking stopped. Everything just halted. And you’re like, “Man, now what do we do?” But I tell you what—it helped us really focus on our business. Before, I was traveling and running around, and you get very busy. There’s only so many hours in the day, and something has to drop. It helped us really evaluate our business expenses and the things we were doing, like the speaking gigs. They were great and brought in some money, but we weren’t really getting enough clients from them. So for us, it sucked at first—you suddenly have to figure out how you’re going to pivot and make the best of it.

For you, it’s like, “Hey, we can focus on the videos and production work you’re doing for Disney.” I mean, you guys have done some really big videos on that side. I think that’s awesome—that you actually had a chance. For me, it was like, “Now I’m at home. I’m grounded. I actually have some time to focus on things I haven’t put enough time into.” So it’s kind of a blessing, for sure.

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Erik Qualman

Speaker 2
11:01-11:55

Yeah, take advantage of this time because it’s—hopefully—not going to happen again, but it is an opportunity to do certain things, like you just mentioned. It also asks, when you’re stuck, how can I provide value? So I told my team, “Hey, look, how can we help this situation?” And we started doing some moving graphs early on because I asked our animators, “If we can look into a data source like Johns Hopkins or another source, can we provide some moving graphs, since we have the animation skills?” And I said, “Yeah, we can do it. Done. Let’s do it tomorrow.” They said, “Well, that’s not gonna generate revenue.” I said, “But it’s helping.” Then, all of a sudden, lo and behold, what happens? We posted on TikTok. We don’t have a ton of followers on TikTok—like 10,000—but then all of a sudden, someone else reposted it, and it got 21 million views. And so we’re like, “Wow, we really helped people.” At the end of the day, sometimes you’re stuck. A lot of your listeners just ask, “How can I provide value?” and that’ll lead you down the right path.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
11:55-13:03

Yeah, that’s awesome. We did, I actually on a different level did something somewhat similar. Long story short, we have the SBA—which has given all kinds of money to small businesses—and I started working with them to help businesses transition from offline to online. That’s been kind of my focus. It’s not like I make as much money doing actual consulting, but we’re able to help more people, and that’s what’s needed, right? I mean, it’s this crazy time with social, websites, e-commerce—like, “I’ll work on that in six months,” or something—and then COVID hits and you’re like, “I’m way behind. I need to do this tomorrow.” So I think it’s awesome. We looked at it like, “How can we help people?” Because this is a crazy, unprecedented time. Everybody’s asking, “What do I do?” Like, “I’ve been in brick-and-mortar for 30 years, I finally got it to where I want to be, and now I want to sell it in five years and retire.” And now I’m like, “Festivals are gone, restaurants are questionable every week—who knows if they’ll open back up?” So yeah, it’s kind of crazy times. But once again, I think because of that, some opportunity will happen as well.

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Shane Barker

Speaker 1
13:04-13:20

Thanks, Erik. It was great talking with you—from digital nerd to proclaimed keynote speaker. That’s one hell of a journey, and your COVID survival strategy really blew me away. But folks, this is just the tip of the iceberg. Erik has a lot more secrets up his sleeve. Hopefully, he’ll reveal them in our next episode. So stay tuned to Shane Barker’s Marketing Growth podcast.

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Introduction: Erik Qualman on Digital Leadership
02:10
Erik Qualman's Digital Marketing Journey
05:00
The Power of Social Media & Storytelling
07:45
Creating Impactful Books & Videos
10:20
Digital Leadership & Business Innovation
12:50
Final Thoughts: Erik Qualman’s Insights on Business Innovation
This Isn’t a Sales Funnel, It’s a Partnership

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